From nobody@FreeBSD.org Tue May 10 15:23:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100CC16A4CE for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 15:23:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F4843D95 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 15:23:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4AFNX4A006090 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 15:23:33 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j4AFNXUN006089; Tue, 10 May 2005 15:23:33 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200505101523.j4AFNXUN006089@www.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:23:33 GMT From: Joe To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: 5.4 stable release is missing miniinst.iso file X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 >Number: 80861 >Category: misc >Synopsis: 5.4 stable release is missing miniinst.iso file >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: re >State: closed >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: maintainer-update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue May 10 15:30:02 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: Tue May 17 23:22:35 GMT 2005 >Last-Modified: Wed May 18 02:30:02 GMT 2005 >Originator: Joe >Release: 5.4 >Organization: Home >Environment: >Description: The ftp mirror sites are missing the miniinst.iso file for 5.4 stable. >How-To-Repeat: Check it out your self >Fix: Release team needs to correct >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-i386->freebsd-bugs Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Mon May 16 21:21:09 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: This is not specific to i386 hardware, which is what that category is for. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=80861 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->re Responsible-Changed-By: kris Responsible-Changed-When: Tue May 17 22:32:41 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: Assign to re for evaluation http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=80861 State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: scottl State-Changed-When: Tue May 17 23:09:17 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: See section 2.6 of the release notes. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=80861 From: "fbsd_user" To: Cc: Subject: Re: misc/80861: 5.4 stable release is missing miniinst.iso file Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:45:48 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C55B21.67FB54A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Section 2.6 of the release notes does not say anything about the miniinst.iso being discontinued. The purpose of the miniinst.iso was it's small file size for the users with only modem dial up connections. It's next to imposable to keep an 5 hour ftp connection to any of the ftp mirror sites because the ftp servers swaps the session out for slow activity. This action of not providing the miniinst.iso is saying the hell with the FreeBSD modem user community. This is very short sighted and arrogant move. This pr should be reopened and the miniinst.iso file created like before. How could a major facility like this be turned off without getting feedback from the questions list first? ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C55B21.67FB54A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Section 2.6 of the release notes does not = say=20 anything about the miniinst.iso being discontinued.

The purpose of the miniinst.iso was it's = small file=20 size for the users with only modem dial up connections. It's next to = imposable=20 to keep an 5 hour ftp connection to any of the ftp mirror sites because = the ftp=20 servers swaps the session out for slow activity. This action of not = providing=20 the miniinst.iso is saying the hell with the FreeBSD modem user = community. This=20 is very short sighted and arrogant move.

This pr = should be=20 reopened and the miniinst.iso file created like before. How could a=20 major facility like this be turned off without getting feedback = from the=20 questions list first?

------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C55B21.67FB54A0-- From: "fbsd_user" To: "Scott Long" Cc: Subject: RE: misc/80861: 5.4 stable release is missing miniinst.iso file Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:21:53 -0400 Hay cool your jets. Read again what I said, the discontinuing of miniinst.iso is an arrogant move. I don't see any words calling you arrogant. What good is using the FTP install method? It has the same bandwidth problem for the modem user. You just don't disregard the needs of the modems users like this. You know many people considered this function important enough to add it in and I don't see anything that changes in 5.4 to justify discontinuing it. If there a justification for discontinuing it then this is now the time for you to state your case. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Long [mailto:scottl@samsco.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:10 PM To: fbsd_user@a1poweruser.com Cc: re@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: misc/80861: 5.4 stable release is missing miniinst.iso file fbsd_user wrote: > Section 2.6 of the release notes does not say > anything about the miniinst.iso being discontinued. > > The purpose of the miniinst.iso was it's small file size for the > users with only modem dial up connections. It's next to imposable to > keep an 5 hour ftp connection to any of the ftp mirror sites because > the ftp servers swaps the session out for slow activity. This > action of not providing the miniinst.iso is saying the hell with the > FreeBSD modem user community. This is very short sighted and > arrogant move. > > If modem bandwidth is the problem, your best choice is still to use the FTP install method. I purposely insisted on keeping it as a valid option for exactly those with limited bandwidth like yourself. Recall also that the ISO images have always been provided as a courtesy and that we highly encourage users to support CDROM vendors, since supporting them supports the project and the developers. I take personal offense to you calling me arrogant. You, sir, have never met me or know anything about me, and I fail to see how you can be justified in throwing insulting terms around with reckless abandon. Every person on the release engineering team is an unpaid volunteer, and insults like yours are completely inappropriate and uncalled for. Scott >Unformatted: