From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 2:48:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe42.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFEE37B419 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:48:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:48:15 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [4.41.159.196] From: "Shawn Halloran" To: "freebsd-newbie" Subject: Aarghh !! Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:53:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000B_01C1B1DE.137252C0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2002 10:48:15.0279 (UTC) FILETIME=[714F13F0:01C1B220] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ------=_NextPart_001_000B_01C1B1DE.137252C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess, since I can't ask questions hear (pun), I can simply state that = I am beginning to feel extreme discouragement. =20 I keep hearing how wonderful this system is, but the most Ive been abel t= o do is generate a list of the /usr directory. My mouse won't configure, = X won't configure, Heck! I can't even figure out how to load a simple wor= d processor. Uuumph! I've spent hours reading. I've spent hours on the net. I've loaded this O= S several times (which has been a learning experinece - I can now create = partitions in my slice). So far, the best I can achieve is a barren scree= n similar to the ominous cursor that greeted my when I first loaded DOS 5= .0. I certainly hope that all this effort is going to be fruitful - I can thi= nk of several people that would tell me I'm absolutely insane for trying = to learn this OS. ShawnGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer= .msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_000B_01C1B1DE.137252C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I guess, since= I can't ask questions hear (pun), I can simply state that I am beginning= to feel extreme discouragement.
 
I keep hea= ring how wonderful this system is, but the most Ive been abel to do is ge= nerate a list of the /usr directory. My mouse won't configure, X won't co= nfigure, Heck! I can't even figure out how to load a simple word processo= r. Uuumph!
 
I've spent hours reading. I've sp= ent hours on the net. I've loaded this OS several times (which has been a= learning experinece - I can now create partitions in my slice). So far, = the best I can achieve is a barren screen similar to the ominous cursor t= hat greeted my when I first loaded DOS 5.0.
 
= I certainly hope that all this effort is going to be fruitful - I can thi= nk of several people that would tell me I'm absolutely insane for trying = to learn this OS.
 
Shawn

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------=_NextPart_001_000B_01C1B1DE.137252C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 5: 1:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C904A37B416 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 05:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from a7v266e (lodder.xs4all.nl [213.84.56.215]) by smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with SMTP id g1AD19lB098677; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:01:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c1b233$0adb3960$0200000a@lodder.home> From: "serge lodder" To: "Shawn Halloran" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Aarghh !! Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:01:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1B23B.6C535620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1B23B.6C535620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Was the same here, you just need to have some ready made solututions to = get you started (don't give up, it is truly a wonderful OS). I bought a = book (after reading some reviews) from SAMS, FreeBSD Unleashed by = Michael Urban and Brian Tiemann and since then I'm not alone in the dark = anymore. It is truly a guide to FreeBSD and helped me many times to = overcome difficulties, apart from reading the online Free BSD Handbook. Good luck to you, Serge look here for a review of the book : = http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3D579 isbn# of the book : 0-672-32206-4 and no i'm not getting payed for = recommending this book :-p ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Shawn Halloran=20 To: freebsd-newbie=20 Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: Aarghh !! I guess, since I can't ask questions hear (pun), I can simply state = that I am beginning to feel extreme discouragement.=20 I keep hearing how wonderful this system is, but the most Ive been = abel to do is generate a list of the /usr directory. My mouse won't = configure, X won't configure, Heck! I can't even figure out how to load = a simple word processor. Uuumph! I've spent hours reading. I've spent hours on the net. I've loaded = this OS several times (which has been a learning experinece - I can now = create partitions in my slice). So far, the best I can achieve is a = barren screen similar to the ominous cursor that greeted my when I first = loaded DOS 5.0. I certainly hope that all this effort is going to be fruitful - I can = think of several people that would tell me I'm absolutely insane for = trying to learn this OS. Shawn -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : = http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1B23B.6C535620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Was the same here, you just need to have some = ready made=20 solututions to get you started (don't give up, it is truly a wonderful = OS). I=20 bought a book (after reading some reviews) from SAMS, FreeBSD Unleashed = by=20 Michael Urban and Brian Tiemann and since then I'm not alone in the dark = anymore. It is truly a guide to FreeBSD and helped me many times to = overcome=20 difficulties, apart from reading the online Free BSD = Handbook.
 
Good luck to you,
 
Serge
 
look here for a review of the book : http://www.osnews.= com/story.php?news_id=3D579
isbn# of the book : 0-672-32206-4 and no i'm not = getting=20 payed for recommending this book :-p
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Shawn=20 Halloran
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 = 11:53=20 AM
Subject: Aarghh !!

I guess, since I can't ask questions hear (pun), I can simply = state that=20 I am beginning to feel extreme discouragement.
 
I keep hearing how wonderful this system is, but the most Ive = been abel=20 to do is generate a list of the /usr directory. My mouse won't = configure, X=20 won't configure, Heck! I can't even figure out how to load a simple = word=20 processor. Uuumph!
 
I've spent hours reading. I've spent hours on the net. I've = loaded this=20 OS several times (which has been a learning experinece - I can now = create=20 partitions in my slice). So far, the best I can achieve is a barren = screen=20 similar to the ominous cursor that greeted my when I first loaded DOS=20 5.0.
 
I certainly hope that all this effort is going to be fruitful - I = can=20 think of several people that would tell me I'm absolutely insane for = trying to=20 learn this OS.
 
Shawn


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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1B23B.6C535620-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 5:30:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.takas.lt (mail-src.takas.lt [212.59.31.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8521437B405 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 05:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from praba ([212.59.27.99]) by mail.takas.lt with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:30:34 +0200 From: "Francisco Borggia" To: Subject: How to listen to Real Player? Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:28:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2002 13:30:35.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EB999F0:01C1B237] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I was acustomed to download Real Player files using Windows.Is there any player or file converter for Real Player format in this OS? F.B. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 6: 4:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6792537B402 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 06:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-160.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.160]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA09558; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:04:47 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020210080444.0195ca18@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:04:44 -0600 To: "Shawn Halloran" , "freebsd-newbie" From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: Aarghh !! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you follow the handbook install instructions exactly & carefully, it works.... obviously you are overlooking some steps. It's not the OS..... At 02:53 AM 2.10.2002 -0800, Shawn Halloran wrote: >>>> I guess, since I can't ask questions hear (pun), I can simply state that I am beginning to feel extreme discouragement. I keep hearing how wonderful this system is, but the most Ive been abel to do is generate a list of the /usr directory. My mouse won't configure, X won't configure, Heck! I can't even figure out how to load a simple word processor. Uuumph! I've spent hours reading. I've spent hours on the net. I've loaded this OS several times (which has been a learning experinece - I can now create partitions in my slice). So far, the best I can achieve is a barren screen similar to the ominous cursor that greeted my when I first loaded DOS 5.0. I certainly hope that all this effort is going to be fruitful - I can think of several people that would tell me I'm absolutely insane for trying to learn this OS. Shawn ---------- Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : <<'http://explorer.msn.com'>http://explorer.msn.com <<<<<<<< Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin =================================================== Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com "My center is giving way, my right is in retreat; ....situation excellent! ....I shall attack!" =================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 8:25:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD1937B402 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:25:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from chip.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id AF3BC4D0022; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:26:35 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:24:13 +0000 From: Chip Wiegand To: "Shawn Halloran" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Aarghh !! Message-Id: <20020210082413.09ca3ce9.chip@wiegand.org> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Alternative Operating Systems X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.0claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sounds like FreeBSD is installed and working properly, just that XFree86 is not (X is not FreeBSD, it's seperate). You should run /stand/sysinstall and then choose Configure and then XFree86, That will give you the option to configure your mouse first, then X. On the mouse, if it's PS2, then choose auto for type and PS2 for port and then hit Enable, you should then get a arrow cursor that will move around on the screen. If it's a serial mouse (like mine) then choose Auto for type (to begin with) then choose Com1 for port, then Enable. If it still doesn't move, try another port (still on type auto). You may have to try several combinations of type and port. My brandless, old serial mouse (actually mitsumi) works on type auto and port com1. After the mouse is working then you'll be able to set up X, just the correct video card from the list (Hopefully yours is on the list), enter the correct numbers for the monitor refresh rates, choose resolution and color depth, and hit Okay to test it. I've been able to get a dozen misellenaeous old monitors and video cards to work. Alot of setting up X is trial and error, just keep trying differant combinations until it works, it usually doesn't take too long to get it working properly. Good luck, Chip On Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:53:10 -0800 "Shawn Halloran" wrote: > I guess, since I can't ask questions hear (pun), I can simply state that I am beginning to feel extreme discouragement. > > I keep hearing how wonderful this system is, but the most Ive been abel to do is generate a list of the /usr directory. My mouse won't configure, X won't configure, Heck! I can't even figure out how to load a simple word processor. Uuumph! > > I've spent hours reading. I've spent hours on the net. I've loaded this OS several times (which has been a learning experinece - I can now create partitions in my slice). So far, the best I can achieve is a barren screen similar to the ominous cursor that greeted my when I first loaded DOS 5.0. > > I certainly hope that all this effort is going to be fruitful - I can think of several people that would tell me I'm absolutely insane for trying to learn this OS. > > ShawnGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 8:39:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D51937B404 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from homebase1.prodigy.net (homebase1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.61.23]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1AGdn9168004 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:39:49 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:39:49 -0500 From: STUCKYM@prodigy.net Subject: test - ignore. Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org test. pls ignore. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 8:59:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.cz (diana.mobil.cz [195.39.16.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3119637B400 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:59:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ester.mobil.cz (ester.mobil.cz [194.213.62.23]) by mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1AGx8c27099 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:59:09 +0100 Received: from roman.mobil.cz ([10.2.0.89]) by ester.mobil.cz (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.7) with ESMTP id 2002021017555789:1019 ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:55:57 +0100 Received: (from roman@localhost) by roman.mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1AHAbX41502 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:10:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from neuhauser@mobil.cz) X-Authentication-Warning: roman.mobil.cz: roman set sender to neuhauser@mobil.cz using -f Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:10:36 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Aarghh !! Message-ID: <20020210171036.GU19456@roman.mobil.cz> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20020210082413.09ca3ce9.chip@wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20020210082413.09ca3ce9.chip@wiegand.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/10/2002 05:55:58 PM, Serialize by Router on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/10/2002 05:56:04 PM, Serialize complete at 02/10/2002 05:56:04 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:24:13 +0000 > From: Chip Wiegand > To: "Shawn Halloran" > Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Aarghh !! I can'b believe it. That was, what? 970 chars-long line! Urgh. > You should run /stand/sysinstall and then choose Configure and then -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 6:07PM up 21 days, 30 mins, 16 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.04, 0.02 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 9: 0:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7FC37B402 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:00:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from homebase1.prodigy.net (homebase1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.61.23]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1AH0n999550 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:00:49 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:00:49 -0500 From: STUCKYM@prodigy.net Subject: linksys LNE100TX and DHCP client question Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Awright, i know this ought to be simple to do and it is starting to drive me nuts. I have searched the web and the archives, and can't find anything I think is the answer. please help.... Have a new FreeBSD system stood up at work, it will be a file server, i.e. intend to run samba and nfs mounts from other *nix systems. New 4.4 out of the box. All hardware is new also. I can't ping other than localhost. I have a DHCP server set up and it works on other machines. I will be happy for the short term if i can just ping my dhcp server. right now 'ping 192.168.1.1' returns a '..no route to host...' error. the nic was in when i installed the operating system. How do I tell if the Linksys LNE100TX is working and has the correct drivers installed? I have searched all over the net and found that I need (?) a "pn0" device, but then other sites indicate that this nic is supported by default. I am very confused on this point. The linksys website is for 3.x and their instructions included building a new kernel - is that still necessary? If not, what do i do? second, how do I tell if my dhcp client is correctly getting something from the dhcp server? at the command "dhclient" i get a somewhat unending stream of garbage, which would of course make sense if the nic is not set up correctly. ifconfig doesn't show me anything like an IP address i would be expecting. most of my exprience is with Red Hat linux. Am committed to sticking with FreeBSD, so I am willing to do whatever is necessary. Thanks for the help. lastly, maybe there is a nic that would be a better choice? matt stucky stuckym@prodigy.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 9:17:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from 1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0007137B402 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AF6E218F5; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F58518F4; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:17:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:17:23 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hamell To: Shawn Halloran Cc: freebsd-newbie Subject: Re: Aarghh !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I certainly hope that all this effort is going to be fruitful - I can > think of several people that would tell me I'm absolutely insane for > trying to learn this OS. Once you've learned it... you'll be happy you did. All this pain and suffering will be fond memories to you. :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 9:29:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.cz (diana.mobil.cz [195.39.16.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6B937B400 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:29:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ester.mobil.cz (ester.mobil.cz [194.213.62.23]) by mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1AHTdc29808 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:29:39 +0100 Received: from roman.mobil.cz ([10.2.0.89]) by ester.mobil.cz (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.7) with ESMTP id 2002021018262843:1037 ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:26:28 +0100 Received: (from roman@localhost) by roman.mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1AHf8R41596 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:41:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from neuhauser@mobil.cz) X-Authentication-Warning: roman.mobil.cz: roman set sender to neuhauser@mobil.cz using -f Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:41:08 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: freebsd-newbie Subject: Re: Aarghh !! Message-ID: <20020210174108.GV19456@roman.mobil.cz> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbie References: Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/10/2002 06:26:28 PM, Serialize by Router on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/10/2002 06:26:34 PM, Serialize complete at 02/10/2002 06:26:34 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: "Shawn Halloran" > To: "freebsd-newbie" > Subject: Aarghh !! > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:53:10 -0800 break your lines at ~72 characters, please. > I guess, since I can't ask questions hear (pun), I can simply state > that I am beginning to feel extreme discouragement. I think that you message perfectly fits this list. Unices are (or tend to be) quite humiliating (at first) for people who are accustomed to "click yes", like I was. The fact is that other operating systems might not work that well in terms of speed or reliability, but when they do work, they work without requiring you to know much about them. How you view this varies with your mileage. That said, all that it takes to have a working FreeBSD install is a bit of hacker trait: desire to know how things work. Beyond that, it's just a matter of time. > I keep hearing how wonderful this system is, but the most Ive been > abel to do is generate a list of the /usr directory. other directories refuse ls? (just joking :) > My mouse won't configure, X won't configure, Heck! I can't even figure > out how to load a simple word processor. Uuumph! Would you mind reposting the *message id's* (not the whole emails) here, so I (or someone else) can look them up? > I've spent hours reading. I've spent hours on the net. I've loaded > this OS several times (which has been a learning experinece - I can > now create partitions in my slice). So far, the best I can achieve is > a barren screen similar to the ominous cursor that greeted my when I > first loaded DOS 5.0. > I certainly hope that all this effort is going to be fruitful - I hope so, too. > I can think of several people that would tell me I'm absolutely insane > for trying to learn this OS. I can think of at least one person who thinks I'm absolutely insane for using this OS successfully day to day. One more thing: I started using FreeBSD last summer. I had had very small experience with linux, but that didn't go much further than ls(1). I use FreeBSD happily both at work, and at home (and no, I don't dual-boot, either). So it *is* possible. -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 6:10PM up 21 days, 34 mins, 16 users, load averages: 0.02, 0.03, 0.01 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 9:37:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2473437B405 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-160.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.160]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA19012; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:37:04 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020210113655.0195ca18@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:36:55 -0600 To: Rick Hamell , Shawn Halloran From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: Aarghh !! Cc: freebsd-newbie In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Indeed, that is true... If you know DOS, then you CAN learn this OS too... hang in there! At 10:17 AM 2.10.2002 -0800, Rick Hamell wrote: > >> I certainly hope that all this effort is going to be fruitful - I can >> think of several people that would tell me I'm absolutely insane for >> trying to learn this OS. > > Once you've learned it... you'll be happy you did. All this pain >and suffering will be fond memories to you. :) > > Rick > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin =================================================== Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com "My center is giving way, my right is in retreat; ....situation excellent! ....I shall attack!" =================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 10:13: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A70537B402 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from scott1.nyc.rr.com (24-168-24-239.nyc.rr.com [24.168.24.239]) by nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with ESMTP id g1AIBjlg021296; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:11:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020210130517.00c41538@pop-server.nyc.rr.com> X-Sender: scottro@pop-server.nyc.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:12:43 -0500 To: jacks@sage-american.com, Rick Hamell , Shawn Halloran From: Scott Subject: Re: Aarghh !! Cc: freebsd-newbie In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020210113655.0195ca18@mail.sage-american.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:36 2002/02/10 -0600, jacks@sage-american.com wrote: >Indeed, that is true... If you know DOS, then you CAN learn this OS too... >hang in there! I remember you saying you had a voodoo5 or 5500 card--I know some people, including myself had troubles with this card, especially with an ASUS MB. I got it working semi-adequately by dropping back to XFree 3.x (which is included on the 4.4 release, and, IIRC also included on 4.5). My first attempts died in mid install--turned out that FreeBSD is more sensitive to bad hardware than some other O/S's (I'd been running Linux and Win2k--the hard drive was dying). The next batch of attempts were on another machine, the aforementioned Voodoo5 with an ASUS--however, by that time, I'd replaced the hard drive on the first machine and was beginning to see why it would be worth it. :) I won't say search deja for questions about the Voodoo5500 because most of what comes back now are my posts to questions. :0-( However, as others are saying, hang in there, it is worth it. A couple of other gotchas--I've found for an Intellimouse, setting protocol to Auto works best--also, if you're using a KVM, at present, at least, you have to have the switch on that machine from bootup through starting X, otherwise the mouse goes all out of sync. Hang in there Scott Robbins To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 11:34: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe19.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AF837B400 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:34:00 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [4.41.159.196] From: "Shawn Halloran" To: "serge lodder" Cc: "freebsd-newbie" Subject: Re: Aarghh !! Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:38:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0011_01C1B227.77ABC8E0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2002 19:34:00.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3E0B830:01C1B269] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ------=_NextPart_001_0011_01C1B227.77ABC8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My bad - I have The Complete FreeBSD by Greg Lehey. I'll stop by Borders = and check out you're recommendation. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: serge lodder Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 5:06 AM To: Shawn Halloran Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Aarghh !! Was the same here, you just need to have some ready made solututions to g= et you started (don't give up, it is truly a wonderful OS). I bought a bo= ok (after reading some reviews) from SAMS, FreeBSD Unleashed by Michael U= rban and Brian Tiemann and since then I'm not alone in the dark anymore. = It is truly a guide to FreeBSD and helped me many times to overcome diffi= culties, apart from reading the online Free BSD Handbook. Good luck to you, Serge look here for a review of the book : http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news= _id=3D579 isbn# of the book : 0-672-32206-4 and no i'm not getting payed for recomm= ending this book :-p =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: Shawn Halloran =20 To: freebsd-newbie =20 Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: Aarghh !! I guess, since I can't ask questions hear (pun), I can simply state that = I am beginning to feel extreme discouragement. =20 I keep hearing how wonderful this system is, but the most Ive been abel t= o do is generate a list of the /usr directory. My mouse won't configure, = X won't configure, Heck! I can't even figure out how to load a simple wor= d processor. Uuumph! I've spent hours reading. I've spent hours on the net. I've loaded this O= S several times (which has been a learning experinece - I can now create = partitions in my slice). So far, the best I can achieve is a barren scree= n similar to the ominous cursor that greeted my when I first loaded DOS 5= .0. I certainly hope that all this effort is going to be fruitful - I can thi= nk of several people that would tell me I'm absolutely insane for trying = to learn this OS. =20 Shawn Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.c= omGet more from the Web. 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My bad - I have The Complete FreeBSD by G= reg Lehey. I'll stop by Borders and check out you're recommendation.
 
Thanks
 
-= ---- Original Message -----
From: serge lodder
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 5:06 AM
<= DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">To: Shawn Halloran
Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: Aarghh !!
 =
= Was the same here, you just need to have some ready ma= de solututions to get you started (don't give up, it is truly a wonderful= OS). I bought a book (after reading some reviews) from SAMS, FreeBSD Unl= eashed by Michael Urban and Brian Tiemann and since then I'm not alone in= the dark anymore. It is truly a guide to FreeBSD and helped me many time= s to overcome difficulties, apart from reading the online Free BSD H= andbook.
 
Good luck= to you,
 
Serg= e
 
look here for&nb= sp;a review of the book : http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3D579
=
isbn# of the book : 0-672-32206-4 and no i'm not= getting payed for recommending this book :-p
 
 
=
 
----- Original Message = -----
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 11:53 AM
Subject: Aarghh !!

=
I guess, since I can't ask questions hear (pun), I can simply state = that I am beginning to feel extreme discouragement.
 
I keep hearing how wonderful this system is, but the most Ive be= en abel to do is generate a list of the /usr directory. My mouse won't co= nfigure, X won't configure, Heck! I can't even figure out how to load a s= imple word processor. Uuumph!
 
I've spent hou= rs reading. I've spent hours on the net. I've loaded this OS several time= s (which has been a learning experinece - I can now create partitions in = my slice). So far, the best I can achieve is a barren screen similar to t= he ominous cursor that greeted my when I first loaded DOS 5.0.
 
I certainly hope that all this effort is going to be f= ruitful - I can think of several people that would tell me I'm absolutely= insane for trying to learn this OS.
 
Shawn


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------=_NextPart_001_0011_01C1B227.77ABC8E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 12: 7:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe61.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8167437B402 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:07:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:07:06 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [4.41.159.196] From: "Shawn Halloran" To: "Roman Neuhauser" , "freebsd-newbie" Subject: Re: Aarghh !! Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:11:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0012_01C1B22C.171F0AA0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2002 20:07:06.0393 (UTC) FILETIME=[83690890:01C1B26E] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ------=_NextPart_001_0012_01C1B22C.171F0AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable lol Ive tried to run /stand/sysinstall, OS will not recognize the command. Th= e only thing I've accomplised to date is partioning the slice, setting up= a user and using the ls command. (how many character this time?) ;) Shawn ----- Original Message ----- From: Roman Neuhauser Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:06 AM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Aarghh !! > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:24:13 +0000 > From: Chip Wiegand > To: "Shawn Halloran" > Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Aarghh !! I can'b believe it. That was, what? 970 chars-long line! Urgh. > You should run /stand/sysinstall and then choose Configure and then -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 6:07PM up 21 days, 30 mins, 16 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.04, 0.02 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the messageGet more fro= m the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0012_01C1B22C.171F0AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
lol
 
Ive tried to run /stand/sysinstall, OS will not recogn= ize the command. The only thing I've accomplised to date is partioning th= e slice, setting up a user and using the ls command.
=  
(how many character this time?)  ;)
&nb= sp;
Shawn
----- Original Message -----
<= B>From: Roman Neuhauser
Sent= : Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:06 AM
To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Aarghh !!
 
> Date: = Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:24:13 +0000
> From: Chip Wiegand <chip@wiega= nd.org>
> To: "Shawn Halloran" <SPHalloran2@hotmail.com>> Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Aarghh !!
=
    I can'b believe it. That was, what? 970 chars-long= line! Urgh.

> You should run /stand/sysinstall and then choose= Configure and then

--
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------=_NextPart_001_0012_01C1B22C.171F0AA0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 13:24:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9A637BEAB for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a051.otenet.gr [212.205.215.51]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1ALKuto000839; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:20:57 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1ALKu401218; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:20:56 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:20:55 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Shawn Halloran Cc: Roman Neuhauser , freebsd-newbie Subject: Re: Aarghh !! Message-ID: <20020210212055.GC999@hades.hell.gr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-02-10 12:11, Shawn Halloran wrote: > lol > > Ive tried to run /stand/sysinstall, OS will not recognize the command. > The only thing I've accomplised to date is partioning the slice, setting > up a user and using the ls command. If you completed the installation successfully, then /stand is a directory that has various nice tools. The "sysinstall" executable is one of them. What does the following command show? # ls -l /stand/sys* > (how many character this time?) ;) All of them :P Your mailer or editor or something, doesn't wrap text when it sends the message. It's probably one of those broken mailers that wrap text at the end of the window border, and when sending perform various black rituals for deciding where lines should be split. Giorgos Keramidas FreeBSD Documentation Project keramida@{freebsd.org,ceid.upatras.gr} http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 14:26: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe27.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CA937B417 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:26:02 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [4.41.159.196] From: "Shawn Halloran" To: "Giorgos Keramidas" Cc: "Roman Neuhauser" , "freebsd-newbie" Subject: Re: Aarghh !! Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:30:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0014_01C1B23F.7DDB6AA0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2002 22:26:02.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC58EA60:01C1B281] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ------=_NextPart_001_0014_01C1B23F.7DDB6AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I didn't realize my mailer was not breaking lines. I'm using Hotmail. Any suggestions for a fix or an alternative mailer? =20 I'm currently relying on my MS system to gain web access. Shawn ----- Original Message ----- From: Giorgos Keramidas Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:22 PM To: Shawn Halloran Cc: Roman Neuhauser; freebsd-newbie Subject: Re: Aarghh !! On 2002-02-10 12:11, Shawn Halloran wrote: > lol > > Ive tried to run /stand/sysinstall, OS will not recognize the command. > The only thing I've accomplised to date is partioning the slice, settin= g > up a user and using the ls command. If you completed the installation successfully, then /stand is a director= y that has various nice tools. The "sysinstall" executable is one of them. What does the following command show? # ls -l /stand/sys* > (how many character this time?) ;) All of them :P Your mailer or editor or something, doesn't wrap text when it sends the message. It's probably one of those broken mailers that wrap text at the end of the window border, and when sending perform various black rituals for deciding where lines should be split. Giorgos Keramidas FreeBSD Documentation Project keramida@{freebsd.org,ceid.upatras.gr} http://www.FreeBSD.org/docpro= j/Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.ms= n.com ------=_NextPart_001_0014_01C1B23F.7DDB6AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I didn't reali= ze my mailer was not breaking lines. I'm using Hotmail.
Any su= ggestions for a fix or an alternative mailer?
 
I'm currently relying on my MS system to gain web access.
&= nbsp;
Shawn
 
----- Orig= inal Message -----
From: Giorgos Keramidas
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:22 PM
To: Shawn Halloran
Cc: Roman Neuhauser; freebsd-newbie
Subject: Re: Aarghh !!
 =
On 2002-02-10 12:11, Shawn Halloran wrote:
> lol
>
&= gt; Ive tried to run /stand/sysinstall, OS will not recognize the command= .
> The only thing I've accomplised to date is partioning the slice= , setting
> up a user and using the ls command.

If you compl= eted the installation successfully, then /stand is a directory
that ha= s various nice tools.  The "sysinstall" executable is one of them.What does the following command show?

# ls -l /stand/sys*
> (how many character this time?)  ;)

All of them :P
<= BR>Your mailer or editor or something, doesn't wrap text when it sends th= e
message.  It's probably one of those broken mailers that wrap t= ext at the
end of the window border, and when sending perform various = black rituals
for deciding where lines should be split.


Gio= rgos Keramidas          = ;            =      FreeBSD Documentation Project
keramida@{freeb= sd.org,ceid.upatras.gr}      http://www.FreeBSD.= org/docproj/

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------=_NextPart_001_0014_01C1B23F.7DDB6AA0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 15:37:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7191A37B41A for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from 209-122-205-80.s334.tnt2.clmb.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.205.80] helo=ljgms2k) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16a3XD-0005vu-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:37:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c1b28b$fb806ae0$50cd7ad1@ljgms2k> From: "leegold" To: Subject: arrgh squared Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:37:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I find FreeBsd too complicated. I've bought all the books been at it for two years, and I still don't feel I have a grasp on simple things, like installing new programs, and ungrading. I'm constantly amazed at the knowlegde people have in the mail groups. I have this broken X from trying to upgrade - and all I can do is blindly follow the instructions given to me. When I first started w/FreeBsd my initial reaction was: were is the documentation? I found/find myself using Linux books to get a grasp. I bought Unleashed but try to understand what make world does, try to understand cvs - what the heck's going on there? I've reread the chap. three times. A distribution tree? what? Imo, there's a kind of abstraction in the gui, the docs, the way things are explained - that is good, that helps - I just do not personally experience this when using and trying to learn FreeBsd. The question is: am I learning Unix? Is this hack, and typing in cmds told to me, and the book buying, ...am I learning Unix? Do I have to take a year of C, then a course on Unix system internals, do I have to do this to understand how to fix my X? What's a wrapper? what does it do? oh thanks for telling me. Would I be better off w/Debian? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 17: 1: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6B837B405 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a088.otenet.gr [212.205.215.88]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1B10vto016316; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:00:57 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1B10tb07147; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:00:55 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:00:55 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: arrgh squared Message-ID: <20020211010055.GB6999@hades.hell.gr> References: <000501c1b28b$fb806ae0$50cd7ad1@ljgms2k> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000501c1b28b$fb806ae0$50cd7ad1@ljgms2k> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-02-10 18:37, leegold wrote: > I find FreeBsd too complicated. I've bought all the books been at it for > two years, and I still don't feel I have a grasp on simple things, like > installing new programs, and ungrading. Despite all the effort being put into making FreeBSD an easy OS, I have to agree with you. FreeBSD or any Unix-like operating system is not for the faint in heart. What you have been trying to do is install the operating system all by yourself. Doing this however, puts you in the role of an "administrator" and that's usually where things start going `bad'. To administer an OS is not an easy thing. The efforts being put into making the FreeBSD installation as easy as possible are a Good Thing(TM) though. The documentation (Handbook, FAQ, articles, etc) that is made available online is also another Good Thing. The way ports makes it easy (for some definition of "easy") to install new programs is another Good Thing. If you find that any of these (installation, package installation, documentation, and day-to-day use and operation) parts of FreeBSD have problems or are too hard to grasp, then you're more than welcome to post comments. This list (newbies) is a nice place to start :) That's what newbies is all about, IIRC. For users of FreeBSD (newcomers or not) to post experiences, comments, suggestions, to ask about ways to learn more, etc. Sue Blake, the head of this list, will (please?) correct me if I'm wrong. Giorgos Keramidas FreeBSD Documentation Project keramida@{freebsd.org,ceid.upatras.gr} http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 10 17:23:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB0D37B417; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:23:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0122.cvx34-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.6.122] helo=aviating.org) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16a5C5-0006A5-00; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:23:45 -0800 Message-ID: <3C671D20.4284D5D1@aviating.org> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:23:44 -0800 From: Slim Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: leegold , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: arrgh squared References: <000501c1b28b$fb806ae0$50cd7ad1@ljgms2k> <20020211010055.GB6999@hades.hell.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, if it was easy, everybody would be doing it. Anything as complex and powerful and fast as the modern PC is going to be complicated, if for no other reason than it does so many things. Few of the things are really complicated by themselves, it's just there are so many possibilities, combinations and permutations. I have long thought that Windows does a disservice by making so many of these essential operations transparent to the user. OTOH, that has made it useable by a tremendous number of folks who would never go through the learning curve to master all that is necessary to really understand the things that are going on. I don't mean to touch off a round of Windows bashing, or "my OS can beat up your OS" stuff. Maybe like piano playing, or learning French, you just have to start off slowly and master the basics before diving into the really tricky stuff. That's what I seem to be going through now, too. Even the relatively simple stuff seems difficult and uncomfortable, but less so as I spend time and read the materials available, and there really is a staggering amount of it, and mostly free. Slim Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On 2002-02-10 18:37, leegold wrote: > > I find FreeBsd too complicated. I've bought all the books been at it for > > two years, and I still don't feel I have a grasp on simple things, like > > installing new programs, and ungrading. > > Despite all the effort being put into making FreeBSD an easy OS, > I have to agree with you. FreeBSD or any Unix-like operating system is not > for the faint in heart. What you have been trying to do is install the > operating system all by yourself. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 2:42:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from integral.e-boxen.com (s142-179-213-195.ab.hsia.telus.net [142.179.213.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 70FDA37B41C for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 02:41:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 42238 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 10:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO business-aid.net) (150.0.6.223) by s142-179-213-195.ab.hsia.telus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 10:24:24 -0000 Message-ID: <3C67B00B.FA263DCB@business-aid.net> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:50:35 -0800 From: joe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lachlan , "Freebsd-Newbies (E-mail)" Subject: Re: webserver error References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org HOT DAM i can't believe i forgot to check to see if it was htm or html... thanx LACHLAN that was the problem... U are The Man ... this is great see you all 8er thanx jOe lachlan wrote: > Hey joe. > > Could be a few things that cause that error. > > 1. in the Document Root Dir. Is there a file called index.html or index.htm? > > Also have you setup your Virtual Hosts properly. Here is an example of 1 of > mine. > > > ServerAdmin lachlan@fatpanda.net > DocumentRoot "/www/fatpanda.net/angela/" > ServerName www.angela.fatpanda.net > ErrorLog /www/logs/www.angela.fatpanda.net-error_log > CustomLog /www/logs/www.angela.fatpanda.net-access_log common > > AllowOverride None > Options None > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > > Hope this helps. > > Regards Lachlan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 2:59:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A4037B400; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 02:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1BAxQa73152; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:59:26 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:59:26 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: leegold , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: arrgh squared Message-ID: <20020211215925.O60024@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Sue Blake , Giorgos Keramidas , leegold , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <000501c1b28b$fb806ae0$50cd7ad1@ljgms2k> <20020211010055.GB6999@hades.hell.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020211010055.GB6999@hades.hell.gr>; from keramida@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Feb 11, 2002 at 03:00:55AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Feb 11, 2002 at 03:00:55AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2002-02-10 18:37, leegold wrote: > > I find FreeBsd too complicated. I've bought all the books been at it for > > two years, and I still don't feel I have a grasp on simple things, like > > installing new programs, and ungrading. > > Despite all the effort being put into making FreeBSD an easy OS, > I have to agree with you. FreeBSD or any Unix-like operating system is not > for the faint in heart. What you have been trying to do is install the > operating system all by yourself. Doing this however, puts you in the role > of an "administrator" and that's usually where things start going `bad'. I agree, though I wouldn't put it quite like that. FreeBSD is as easy as any other OS to _use_. But you need a system administrator to set it up for you and maintain it. That's the basic idea. These days people expect to do everything themselves, and have good practical reasons for needing to. But that means you have to start with the most difficult part (install, setup) before you can begin to learn the easiest (using its programs and shell commands). Microsoft and Macintosh systems, by contrast, are designed to be used without a system administrator on tap. You don't get to choose much about how you want your system set up, because the OS assumes you don't know, and that you must be shown no options to confuse you. Rigid, predictable, user-installable. It's horses for courses. When I'm teaching someone, I start with a few easy commands and lots of concepts with much time spent treasure-hunt style testing out how the thing works (I can go 'cd /path/directory' but what would happen if I just went 'cd'?). It is a long long time before a large number of common shell commands are easy to run off the fingers. Much much later you're supposed to be able to do very easy admin things, like installing a CD package with /stand/sysinstall or pkg_add while referring to instructions. Much much later you can cope with more admin tasks before you get to the hard ones that the real sysadmin will do for you. And after a lot more time, you might get up to doing most or all of the admin tasks yourself. But installation and setting up a unix system, whoah, that's a whole other level higher. So here you are, madly trying to remember to type ls instead of dir, and you're expected to be able to install and configure a unix machine? Sure, it's _supposed_ to be hard! It's all back to front! What you "should" be doing is getting someone very experienced to fully set up your machine, and only then start learning things, in the proper order. But of course most of us can't organise that and of necessity we jump in at the deep end. If your hardware is pretty standard and you are able to follow the instructions without becoming snagged, guess what? It'll work, even though you're not a real sysadmin, even though you don't know what you're doing. It "just works" for lots of people. Not everyone, though, and if it doesn't work for you it's not your fault, it's just lack of extra good luck. Then you have to go ask about it on freebsd-questions. If you're real unlucky, you'll have to ask a few questions and learn a few things you didn't plan on learning so soon, before you get the $^%#%& thing running properly. Bummber. That's the way it goes sometimes. The first-time-lucky ones will boast (that's what this list is for too BTW) about how easy it is. There's hundreds of them, and we let them all have their moment of glory :-) but don't let that get you down. When your system is all the way you want it you can tell us you're a genius having worked through so many problems, and we'll celebrate with you, too. Just be careful not to create bad luck for yourself: don't ask any question where you might be misled. Helpful friends are real bad news in your situation. Ask _only_ on freebsd-questions, where any misinformation will be corrected by 2000 peers jostling for the status of being most correct. Your chances of being misled there (provided your question is worded OK) are pretty low, and right now you can't afford any doubts or wasted effort. > To administer an OS is not an easy thing. The efforts being put into > making the FreeBSD installation as easy as possible are a Good Thing(TM) > though. The documentation (Handbook, FAQ, articles, etc) that is made > available online is also another Good Thing. The way ports makes it easy > (for some definition of "easy") to install new programs is another Good > Thing. > > If you find that any of these (installation, package installation, > documentation, and day-to-day use and operation) parts of FreeBSD have > problems or are too hard to grasp, then you're more than welcome to post > comments. Yep, the people who write documents are very keen to hear from newbies, if they have suggestions for what could make it a little clearer, or a pat on the back for a doc that was particularly clear and useful, otherwise they'd never know it's good and might stop writing. > This list (newbies) is a nice place to start :) > That's what newbies is all about, IIRC. > For users of FreeBSD (newcomers or not) to post experiences, > comments, suggestions, to ask about ways to learn more, etc. ... and even to let of steam if you really have to (you can't get away with doing that elsewhere) and come back and apologise tomorrow. We've all been there :-) > Sue Blake, the head of this list, will (please?) correct me if I'm wrong. Head? I think I'm more like its left elbow. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 3: 4:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.cz (diana.mobil.cz [195.39.16.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADEF37B404 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:04:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ester.mobil.cz (ester.mobil.cz [194.213.62.23]) by mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1BB4Mc06643 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:04:22 +0100 Received: from roman.mobil.cz ([10.2.0.89]) by ester.mobil.cz (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.7) with ESMTP id 2002021112011003:1544 ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:01:10 +0100 Received: (from roman@localhost) by roman.mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1BBFrl44593 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:15:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from neuhauser@mobil.cz) X-Authentication-Warning: roman.mobil.cz: roman set sender to neuhauser@mobil.cz using -f Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:15:52 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: freebsd-newbie Subject: Re: Aarghh !! Message-ID: <20020211111552.GC19456@roman.mobil.cz> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbie References: Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/11/2002 12:01:10 PM, Serialize by Router on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/11/2002 12:01:16 PM, Serialize complete at 02/11/2002 12:01:16 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: "Shawn Halloran" > To: "Roman Neuhauser" , > "freebsd-newbie" > Subject: Re: Aarghh !! > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:11:37 -0800 > > Ive tried to run /stand/sysinstall, OS will not recognize the command. > The only thing I've accomplised to date is partioning the slice, > setting up a user and using the ls command. if you can't run /stand/sysinstall, you haven't FreeBSD installed (properly). and, btw, what does "will not recognize" mean? -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 12:12PM up 21 days, 18:36, 15 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 3:21: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from jester.ti.com (jester.ti.com [192.94.94.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963D637B416 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from dlep8.itg.ti.com ([157.170.134.88]) by jester.ti.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1BBKw904297 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:20:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from dlep8.itg.ti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlep8.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06731 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:20:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from popsvr.india.ti.com (popsvr.india.ti.com [157.87.95.215]) by dlep8.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06705 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:20:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from paspcsham (dhcp86222 [157.87.86.222]) by popsvr.india.ti.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA12421 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:50:53 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <018101c1b2ef$aa2601f0$de56579d@india.ti.com> From: "Gautham Ganapathy" To: "FreeBSD Newbies @ FreeBSD.org" Subject: System info Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:01:32 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi in linux, we can fin info about the cpu, mem, hdds, etc from files in the /proc filesystem. however, in freebsd, this directory contains only a list of directories, one for each process. how can i get the other information (cpu, mem, etc) as in linux? Regards Gautham To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 5:47:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6866737B404 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:47:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-160.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.160]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA08639; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:47:22 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020211074719.0195ca18@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:47:19 -0600 To: "Gautham Ganapathy" , "FreeBSD Newbies @ FreeBSD.org" From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: System info In-Reply-To: <018101c1b2ef$aa2601f0$de56579d@india.ti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've never run Linux, but the INFO you just described is found by running: # dmesg At 05:01 PM 2.11.2002 +0530, Gautham Ganapathy wrote: >Hi > >in linux, we can fin info about the cpu, mem, hdds, etc from files in the >/proc filesystem. however, in freebsd, this directory contains only a list >of directories, one for each process. how can i get the other information >(cpu, mem, etc) as in linux? > >Regards >Gautham > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin =================================================== Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com "My center is giving way, my right is in retreat; ....situation excellent! ....I shall attack!" =================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 6:42:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC69F37B405; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:42:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from chip.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id A854133D00FE; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:42:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:42:05 +0000 From: Chip Wiegand To: Sue Blake Cc: keramida@FreeBSD.ORG, no_spam@worldpost.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: arrgh squared Message-Id: <20020211064205.24e276c0.chip@wiegand.org> In-Reply-To: <20020211215925.O60024@welearn.com.au> References: <000501c1b28b$fb806ae0$50cd7ad1@ljgms2k> <20020211010055.GB6999@hades.hell.gr> <20020211215925.O60024@welearn.com.au> Organization: Alternative Operating Systems X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.0claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wow, you make it sound so much worse than it really is. I was a newbie a couple years ago, and managed to not only install and set up fbsd but use it exclusively now (at home). I'm glad it wasn't as difficult as you make it out to be. Sure it *can* be difficult to get certain aspects of it going, but I think it depends more on your hardware than on luck. Someone with a machine full of the latest and greatest hardware is going to find it more difficult than someone with a machine a year or more old with common hardware. You do make many valid points, I just think it is a bit easier than you make it sound. At least that's been my experience, after about two years and many installations and upgrades. :-) Well, it's off to work now where I have to deal with a company full of tempermental NT machines. Heh, Heh. Regards, Chip W www.wiegand.org chip@wiegand.org On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:59:26 +1100 Sue Blake wrote: > FreeBSD is as easy as any other OS to _use_. But you need a system > administrator to set it up for you and maintain it. That's the basic > idea. These days people expect to do everything themselves, and have > good practical reasons for needing to. But that means you have to > start with the most difficult part (install, setup) before you can > begin to learn the easiest (using its programs and shell commands). > > Microsoft and Macintosh systems, by contrast, are designed to be > used without a system administrator on tap. You don't get to choose > much about how you want your system set up, because the OS assumes > you don't know, and that you must be shown no options to confuse you. > Rigid, predictable, user-installable. It's horses for courses. > > When I'm teaching someone, I start with a few easy commands and lots > of concepts with much time spent treasure-hunt style testing out how > the thing works (I can go 'cd /path/directory' but what would happen > if I just went 'cd'?). It is a long long time before a large number > of common shell commands are easy to run off the fingers. Much much > later you're supposed to be able to do very easy admin things, like > installing a CD package with /stand/sysinstall or pkg_add while > referring to instructions. Much much later you can cope with more > admin tasks before you get to the hard ones that the real sysadmin > will do for you. And after a lot more time, you might get up to > doing most or all of the admin tasks yourself. But installation > and setting up a unix system, whoah, that's a whole other level > higher. > > So here you are, madly trying to remember to type ls instead of dir, > and you're expected to be able to install and configure a unix > machine? Sure, it's _supposed_ to be hard! It's all back to front! > What you "should" be doing is getting someone very experienced to > fully set up your machine, and only then start learning things, > in the proper order. But of course most of us can't organise > that and of necessity we jump in at the deep end. If your hardware > is pretty standard and you are able to follow the instructions > without becoming snagged, guess what? It'll work, even though > you're not a real sysadmin, even though you don't know what > you're doing. It "just works" for lots of people. > > Not everyone, though, and if it doesn't work for you it's not your > fault, it's just lack of extra good luck. Then you have to go ask > about it on freebsd-questions. If you're real unlucky, you'll have to > ask a few questions and learn a few things you didn't plan on learning > so soon, before you get the $^%#%& thing running properly. Bummber. > That's the way it goes sometimes. The first-time-lucky ones will boast > (that's what this list is for too BTW) about how easy it is. There's > hundreds of them, and we let them all have their moment of glory :-) > but don't let that get you down. When your system is all the way you > want it you can tell us you're a genius having worked through so many > problems, and we'll celebrate with you, too. > > Just be careful not to create bad luck for yourself: don't ask any > question where you might be misled. Helpful friends are real bad > news in your situation. Ask _only_ on freebsd-questions, where any > misinformation will be corrected by 2000 peers jostling for the > status of being most correct. Your chances of being misled there > (provided your question is worded OK) are pretty low, and right > now you can't afford any doubts or wasted effort. > Regards, > -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 6:58:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f195.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53B037B41C; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:58:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:58:37 -0800 Received: from 66.56.82.228 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:58:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.56.82.228] From: "mike flanagan" To: FreeBSD-Newbies@freebsd.org Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Subject: getting Wine to work Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:58:37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2002 14:58:37.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[95AB5E60:01C1B30C] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am trying to get wine to work and an running into problems. I am running 4.5 stable and just installed wine and when trying to run wine I get the following error bash-2.04$ wine wineserver: chdir /home/mike/.wine : No such file or directory bash-2.04$ I also cannot find the wine.conf file bash-2.04$ whereis wine.conf wine.conf: bash-2.04$ I tried running wine through winelauncher and it seems to work except when I try and do the config I get .. Error: Unable to find winesetup in your PATH or in /opt/wine/bin I guess I would rather run wine through winelauncher so if anyone can help it would be appreciated :) Also if I could see an example of someone's wine config that would be great. Thanks in advance, Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 7:32:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF28137B417; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:32:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-160.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.160]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13857; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:32:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020211093208.0195ca18@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:32:08 -0600 To: Chip Wiegand , Sue Blake From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: arrgh squared Cc: keramida@FreeBSD.ORG, no_spam@worldpost.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020211064205.24e276c0.chip@wiegand.org> References: <20020211215925.O60024@welearn.com.au> <000501c1b28b$fb806ae0$50cd7ad1@ljgms2k> <20020211010055.GB6999@hades.hell.gr> <20020211215925.O60024@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When first-time installing FBSD, it would be a good idea to remove any extra hardware so that you start with an easier configuration. Then, once the OS is installed, then start adding back the hardware needed by priority of importance to the final objective for the machine. This approach would only apply IF there is a problem with the first tries to install. A good DOS background would help as well. If this is the first time to be confronted with a blinking cursor waiting for you to do something, that could be somewhat intimidating. But, perseverance is probably the best ingredient absent the help of a good friend nearby with some experience to help kickstart things for you. Perhaps because there seems so much to learn that it appears intimidating, but like the answer to "how do you eat an elephant?".... "one bite at a time" applies here. After each little "breakthru", helps inspire you on to the next aspect.... You'll be amazed how fast the knowledge accumulates over some dedicated time and effort. It is a powerful system well-worth the time and effort.... then you can move over from "newbies" to "questions" to help you through some other barriers that your own research fails to clarify.... the handbook is a terrific source, but may require reading and re-reading... and trial & error. At 06:42 AM 2.11.2002 +0000, Chip Wiegand wrote: >Wow, you make it sound so much worse than it really is. I was a newbie a >couple years ago, and managed to not only install and set up fbsd but >use it exclusively now (at home). I'm glad it wasn't as difficult as you >make it out to be. Sure it *can* be difficult to get certain aspects of >it going, but I think it depends more on your hardware than on luck. >Someone with a machine full of the latest and greatest hardware is going >to find it more difficult than someone with a machine a year or more old >with common hardware. You do make many valid points, I just think it is >a bit easier than you make it sound. At least that's been my experience, >after about two years and many installations and upgrades. :-) Well, >it's off to work now where I have to deal with a company full of >tempermental NT machines. Heh, Heh. > >Regards, >Chip W >www.wiegand.org >chip@wiegand.org > >On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:59:26 +1100 >Sue Blake wrote: > >> FreeBSD is as easy as any other OS to _use_. But you need a system >> administrator to set it up for you and maintain it. That's the basic >> idea. These days people expect to do everything themselves, and have >> good practical reasons for needing to. But that means you have to >> start with the most difficult part (install, setup) before you can >> begin to learn the easiest (using its programs and shell commands). >> >> Microsoft and Macintosh systems, by contrast, are designed to be >> used without a system administrator on tap. You don't get to choose >> much about how you want your system set up, because the OS assumes >> you don't know, and that you must be shown no options to confuse you. >> Rigid, predictable, user-installable. It's horses for courses. >> >> When I'm teaching someone, I start with a few easy commands and lots >> of concepts with much time spent treasure-hunt style testing out how >> the thing works (I can go 'cd /path/directory' but what would happen >> if I just went 'cd'?). It is a long long time before a large number >> of common shell commands are easy to run off the fingers. Much much >> later you're supposed to be able to do very easy admin things, like >> installing a CD package with /stand/sysinstall or pkg_add while >> referring to instructions. Much much later you can cope with more >> admin tasks before you get to the hard ones that the real sysadmin >> will do for you. And after a lot more time, you might get up to >> doing most or all of the admin tasks yourself. But installation >> and setting up a unix system, whoah, that's a whole other level >> higher. >> >> So here you are, madly trying to remember to type ls instead of dir, >> and you're expected to be able to install and configure a unix >> machine? Sure, it's _supposed_ to be hard! It's all back to front! >> What you "should" be doing is getting someone very experienced to >> fully set up your machine, and only then start learning things, >> in the proper order. But of course most of us can't organise >> that and of necessity we jump in at the deep end. If your hardware >> is pretty standard and you are able to follow the instructions >> without becoming snagged, guess what? It'll work, even though >> you're not a real sysadmin, even though you don't know what >> you're doing. It "just works" for lots of people. >> >> Not everyone, though, and if it doesn't work for you it's not your >> fault, it's just lack of extra good luck. Then you have to go ask >> about it on freebsd-questions. If you're real unlucky, you'll have to >> ask a few questions and learn a few things you didn't plan on learning >> so soon, before you get the $^%#%& thing running properly. Bummber. >> That's the way it goes sometimes. The first-time-lucky ones will boast >> (that's what this list is for too BTW) about how easy it is. There's >> hundreds of them, and we let them all have their moment of glory :-) >> but don't let that get you down. When your system is all the way you >> want it you can tell us you're a genius having worked through so many >> problems, and we'll celebrate with you, too. >> >> Just be careful not to create bad luck for yourself: don't ask any >> question where you might be misled. Helpful friends are real bad >> news in your situation. Ask _only_ on freebsd-questions, where any >> misinformation will be corrected by 2000 peers jostling for the >> status of being most correct. Your chances of being misled there >> (provided your question is worded OK) are pretty low, and right >> now you can't afford any doubts or wasted effort. >> Regards, >> -*Sue*- > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin =================================================== Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com "My center is giving way, my right is in retreat; ....situation excellent! ....I shall attack!" =================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 7:43:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe56.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.20.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C258C37B419 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:43:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:43:48 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [168.28.163.17] From: "John2002" To: Subject: Old Computer Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:30:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1B2E7.299FC2D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2002 15:43:48.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5A7FEE0:01C1B312] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1B2E7.299FC2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy! I bought off of Ebay and old Compaq 524 "all in one" computer, ( 8meg = ram, 450meg hd, with no O/S ).=20 Think I could up grade this thing and install FreeBSD? Thanks Dan White http://www.geocities.com/ufoengines/index.html=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1B2E7.299FC2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy!
I bought off of Ebay and old Compaq 524 = "all in=20 one" computer, ( 8meg ram, 450meg hd, with no O/S ).
Think I could up grade this thing and = install=20 FreeBSD?
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1B2E7.299FC2D0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 8:36:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.coreps.com (adsl-207-241-136-8.mpl.michix.net [207.241.136.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C010937B402 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:36:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.coreps.com (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 9A29F2E952; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.coreps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8310F2E8A4; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:34:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:34:28 -0500 (EST) From: Mailing Lists To: Gautham Ganapathy Cc: "FreeBSD Newbies @ FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: System info In-Reply-To: <018101c1b2ef$aa2601f0$de56579d@india.ti.com> Message-ID: <20020211113345.H16418-100000@mail.coreps.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What information are you exactly looking for? Have you tried to run the command "top"? --Dennis On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Gautham Ganapathy wrote: > Hi > > in linux, we can fin info about the cpu, mem, hdds, etc from files in the > /proc filesystem. however, in freebsd, this directory contains only a list > of directories, one for each process. how can i get the other information > (cpu, mem, etc) as in linux? > > Regards > Gautham > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 9:46:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from umx-mail02.missouri.edu (umx-mail02.missouri.edu [128.206.10.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBA437B402 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by umx-mail02 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1T8XYV5N>; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:46:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1E68BBF368521A498EA50DEDB61120900E1AC38E@tiger-mail02.mizzou.edu> From: "Jewell, Curtis Shields (UMC-Student)" To: 'John2002 ' , "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG '" Subject: RE: Old Computer Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:44:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Assuming it's at least a 386 - I see no problem in running a basic setup of FreeBSD WITHOUT upgrading it! I wouldn't run X or some of the larger ports if my life depended on it on that machine - but that's certainly enough for a command-line. --Curtis -----Original Message----- From: John2002 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sent: 2/11/2002 9:30 AM Subject: Old Computer Howdy! I bought off of Ebay and old Compaq 524 "all in one" computer, ( 8meg ram, 450meg hd, with no O/S ). Think I could up grade this thing and install FreeBSD? Thanks Dan White http://www.geocities.com/ufoengines/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 10: 0: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ocis.net (mailserver.ocis.net [209.52.173.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D09E37B404 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailserver.ocis.net ([127.0.0.1] helo=ocis.net) by mail.ocis.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16aKkB-0006sQ-00; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:59:59 -0800 From: "Freddie Cash" To: "John2002" Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Reply-To: fcash@bigfoot.com Subject: Re: Old Computer Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:59:59 -0800 Message-Id: <20020211095959.M29269@ocis.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.60 20020125 X-OriginatingIP: 207.23.161.23 (fcash) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Howdy! > I bought off of Ebay and old Compaq 524 "all in one" > computer, ( 8meg ram, 450meg hd, with no O/S ). Think > I could up grade this thing and install FreeBSD? Thanks You'll need more ram. FreeBSD will run in 8 megs, but unless you feel like getting into the nitty gritty, the installer won't run. Needs at least 12 megs for the installer to run properly. The hard drive might feel cramped, but so long as you don't make a large swap partition, you should be fine. I don't think you'll be able to run XFree on there (I know GNOME and KDE won't run, but maybe just plain X will), and you definitely will not be using the ports tree for installation (but that's why there's packages). This will make a good little console box though. Or a decent firewall or mail server, or a web server for playing on (8 megs is *way* too little for a full-blown web server though). IOW, up the RAM and have fun. :) My next project is to get my little 486-66 w/32MB RAM and 8 gig HD to take over as firewall/mail server. :) Cheers, Freddie Cash fcash@bigfoot.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 10:41: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA3737B416 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4A95; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:40:44 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:40:02 -0800 Received: from there (dhcp-46-150.acuson.com [157.226.46.150]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CJVDGT63; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:31:00 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Mike K , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Acuson Subject: Re: FAQ is vague about upgrade from 3.x -> 4.x ... please help Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:40:38 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <036801c1b150$6f0604d0$6601a8c0@mk> In-Reply-To: <036801c1b150$6f0604d0$6601a8c0@mk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020211184049.BFA3737B416@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday 09 February 2002 01:59 am, Mike K wrote: > Hello... > > I have a remote 3.4-RELEASE box (production box) that I would like to > upgrade to the latest version (4.5?). Please be aware that there are THREE latest versions! Thre is a -CURRENT version, which is continually being worked on, fiddled with, and otherwise broken in minor ways on an hourly basis. Then there is a -STABLE version, which will have tested bug fixes and stuff from -CURRENT applied. Despite the name "stable", it is technically an unstable branch. Finally, there is a -RELEASE version, currently 4.5-RELEASE. This is the fully tested, ready for public consumption, ultra stable version. It's what you find in stores, and what you get when you order from the distributors. Neither -CURRENT or -STABLE are recommended for newbies. It is also required for you to be subscribed to the relevant mailing lists if you do use them. Stick with -RELEASE. > Does anyone have step-by-step instructions for upgrading 3.x (or 3.4-REL > specifically) to the latest 4.x.....remotely/safely/with-minimal-downtime? If you need step-by-step instructions, then by all means, to not use -CURRENT or -STABLE. The section you quoted from the Handbook was in reference to -STABLE. No, no, no. Don't be tempted. Don't do it. So how do you upgrade? The newbie way is to use a CD. Since the 4.5 CDs haven't shipped yet, you would need to burn yourself a copy from the ISO image. Otherwise, you can use sysinstall to do it, provided that you set up the release name to 4.5-RELEASE. Step-by-step instructions are not appropriate for the -newbies list (read if the First Aid Kit if you don't know why), so ask for details of this method on -questions. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 10:42:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from 1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A374837B405 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:42:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 88B4B18F5; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D04418F4; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:41:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:41:50 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hamell To: "Jewell, Curtis Shields (UMC-Student)" Cc: 'John2002 ' , "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG '" Subject: RE: Old Computer In-Reply-To: <1E68BBF368521A498EA50DEDB61120900E1AC38E@tiger-mail02.mizzou.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Assuming it's at least a 386 - I see no problem in running a basic setup of > FreeBSD WITHOUT upgrading it! I wouldn't run X or some of the larger ports > if my life depended on it on that machine - but that's certainly enough for > a command-line. Um... FreeBSD needs at least 12 megs to install. So you'd have to add more memory first. Unless you're going to run something like 2.2.6 on it. Rick ******************************************************************* New home page: http://1nova.com Ace Logan's Hardware Guide @ http://www.markeedragon.com FreeBSD - The power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 10:46:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BA437B402 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mvaexch00.acuson.com ([157.226.230.212]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4E15; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:46:27 -0800 Received: by mvaexch00.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:41:20 -0800 Received: from there (dhcp-46-150.acuson.com [157.226.46.150]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CJVDGT76; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:36:42 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Francisco Borggia , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Acuson Subject: Re: How to listen to Real Player? Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:46:20 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020211184630.04BA437B402@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday 10 February 2002 03:28 pm, Francisco Borggia wrote: > Hi, > I was acustomed to download Real Player files using > Windows.Is there any player or file converter for Real Player > format in this OS? The package name is "linux-realplayer". It's the real Real Player. Since there isn't a native FreeBSD version, you have to use the Linux version, so make sure that Linux compatibility is installed first. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 10:59:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354A337B41B for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mvaexch00.acuson.com ([157.226.230.212]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA550D; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:59:13 -0800 Received: by mvaexch00.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:54:09 -0800 Received: from there (dhcp-46-150.acuson.com [157.226.46.150]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CJVDG4AD; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:49:29 -0800 From: Johnson David To: mike flanagan , FreeBSD-Newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Acuson Subject: Re: getting Wine to work Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:59:07 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020211185916.354A337B41B@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday 11 February 2002 06:58 am, mike flanagan wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to get wine to work and an running into problems. I am > running 4.5 stable and just installed wine and when trying to run wine > I get the following error There is a great article on how to get Wine running under FreeBSD at . From your post, it looks like you have everything set up except for your home configuration file. So read the above and you will get there. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 13:14:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B6737B405 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:14:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mvaexch00.acuson.com ([157.226.230.212]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA1F97; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:14:16 -0800 Received: by mvaexch00.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:09:11 -0800 Received: from there (dhcp-46-150.acuson.com [157.226.46.150]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CJVDG40C; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:04:30 -0800 From: Johnson David To: leegold , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Acuson Subject: Re: arrgh squared [long] Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:14:07 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <000501c1b28b$fb806ae0$50cd7ad1@ljgms2k> In-Reply-To: <000501c1b28b$fb806ae0$50cd7ad1@ljgms2k> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020211211418.D5B6737B405@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday 10 February 2002 03:37 pm, leegold wrote: > The question is: am I learning Unix? Is this hack, > and typing in cmds told to me, and the book buying, > ...am I learning Unix? Do I have to take a year of C, > then a course on Unix system internals, do I have to > do this to understand how to fix my X? I'm not going to answer the above question except to say that step-by-step howtos won't help you learn Unix, but they will get your X up and running so that you can stop banging on your system and start using it to learn Unix. Now I'm going to radically switch gears. As more and more people attempt to switch to FreeBSD (or another freenix) in an attempt to escape from Microsoft systems, frustrations like the above will become more common. These kinds of posts will become the mainstay of the list in a few short years. The reason is simple. Microsoft and FreeBSD (and their users) have completely different philosophies of operating systems. When all you know is one philosophy of computing, any deviance is viewed as stupidity, ignorance, and in some cases, heresy. The first major difference is the philosophy of the user. The basic philosophy of Microsoft is "the user is stupid so don't let the user do anything stupid". The basic philosophy of FreeBSD, on the other hand, is "the user knows what he is doing so let him do it." This is reflected in a lot of different things, so I'll remark on just one, the documentation. Microsoft documention is scanty and presented in a scripted step-by-step fashion. FreeBSD documentation is extensive and presented in a reference format. The second major difference is the philosophy of use. The basic philosophy of Microsoft is "one system one user." FreeBSD is much different and quite comfortable with multiple users per system. Even despite the "advances" of NT over DOS, the Microsoft viewpoint is still firmly centered in the concept of one user per system. Examples of this are numerous. When you combine the two differences above, you begin to understand the differences in how things are administered. For Win95/98, there simply is no concept of an adminstrator user, because there is only one user. WinNT/2K is more advanced because it at least recognizes the need for an administrator, file permissions, and the like. But even there an administrator isn't mandatory. Under FreeBSD the root account isn't even optional, and file permissions are integral to understanding how things work. The Win95/98 way works well for single user stand alone systems. The FreeBSD way works well for networks of workstations. > Would I be better off w/Debian? Hmmm, not really. It's still a Unix (or at least pretends to be a Unix), so you will be facing the same frustrations you have with FreeBSD. The advantage of Debian is that Linux has many more users, so you have many more sources of help. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 15:31:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F19637B416 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:31:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from 208-58-226-4.s512.tnt1.clmb.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.226.4] helo=smtp.erols.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16aPv2-0002nE-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:31:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Ultrafunk Popcorn release 1.15 (14.Sep.2001) X-URL: http://www.ultrafunk.com/products/popcorn Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:39:44 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: leegold To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: arrgh squared Reply-To: goldtech@worldpost.com Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for the input. I use the system as a stand alone client (dualbooted w/win2k) and sometimes I don't see the extra-capability and power inherent in FreeBsd. It's good, on job interviews when they ask about Unix. I can confifently say I am a user. w/hacking Freebsd at home, I now have no fear of a unix terminal - this has helped me a lot in as they say - "the workplace". Lee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 16:38:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sparc1.amuser-net.ne.jp (sparc1.amuser-net.ne.jp [210.164.150.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B1E37B405; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from your13jxqacx6s ([210.155.148.84]) by sparc1.amuser-net.ne.jp (8.9.3/3.7Wpl2/DEKIRU1.00) with SMTP id HAA14514; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 07:20:20 +0900 Message-ID: <01da01c1b34a$67797750$c933fea9@your13jxqacx6s> From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCRnxLXDFHMmg4JjVmMnEbKEI=?=" To: Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJU8lJCVTJTglZyVzISYlIiVAJWslSCVTJUclKiROJDQwRkZiGyhC?= Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:10:01 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org $B%S%G%*$N==G\0J>e$N2hLL>pJs$K$h$kGw??$N1GA|!*(B $B!J%S%G%*#C#GEy$N(B352$B!_(B240$B2hAG$KBP$7(B1024$B!_(B768$B2hAG!K(B $B$b$A$m$sL5=$@5!"$"$i$f$k:YIt$,$/$C$-$j8+$($^$9!#(B $B:G?7$N%G%8%?%k5;=Q$GC0uM-8z!K(B $B")#1#7#0!!K-EgM9JX6I;_$a!!F|K\1G2h8&5f2q(B $B%O%$%S%8%g%s#A#V$N:F@8$K$O0J2<$N4D6-$,I,MW$G$9!#(B $B%Z%s%F%#%"%`-60J>e!"(BWindows98$B!"(B2000$B!"(BXP $B%Q%o!<#P#C!!#G#30J>e!!#O#S#80J9_(B $B$$$:$l$b(B1024$B!_(B768$B0J>e$N%G%#%9%W%l%$!!(B $B!!!!!!!!%a%b%j(B64MB$B0J>e!J(BXP$B$O(B128MB$B0J>e!K(B To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 23:44:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.cz (diana.mobil.cz [195.39.16.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5E137B41D for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ester.mobil.cz (ester.mobil.cz [194.213.62.23]) by mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1C7Z0c30851 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:35:00 +0100 Received: from roman.mobil.cz ([10.2.0.89]) by ester.mobil.cz (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.7) with ESMTP id 2002021208314673:2445 ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:31:46 +0100 Received: (from roman@localhost) by roman.mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1C7kYm53774 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:46:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from neuhauser@mobil.cz) X-Authentication-Warning: roman.mobil.cz: roman set sender to neuhauser@mobil.cz using -f Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:46:34 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: arrgh squared Message-ID: <20020212074634.GK19456@roman.mobil.cz> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/12/2002 08:31:46 AM, Serialize by Router on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/12/2002 08:31:53 AM, Serialize complete at 02/12/2002 08:31:53 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:39:44 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) > From: leegold > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: arrgh squared > > Thanks for the input. I use the system as a stand alone > client (dualbooted w/win2k) and sometimes I don't see the > extra-capability and power inherent in FreeBsd. well, I guess it's in the eyes of the beholder. if the power is where you *don't* need it, it's like there was none. I use FreeBSD on a standalone box, too, and, well, I wouldn't go back to windows even if you paid me. :) > It's good, on job interviews when they ask about Unix. > I can confifently say I am a user. w/hacking > Freebsd at home, I now have no fear of a unix terminal - > this has helped me a lot in as they say - "the workplace". that's good to hear. :) -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 8:44AM up 22 days, 15:07, 23 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 23:48:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from jester.ti.com (jester.ti.com [192.94.94.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA43D37B61C; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:47:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from dlep8.itg.ti.com ([157.170.134.88]) by jester.ti.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1C6nB900664; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:49:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from dlep8.itg.ti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlep8.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26825; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:49:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from popsvr.india.ti.com (popsvr.india.ti.com [157.87.95.215]) by dlep8.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26779; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:49:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from paspcsham (dhcp86222 [157.87.86.222]) by popsvr.india.ti.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA24199; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:19:07 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <004701c1b392$dc3766e0$de56579d@india.ti.com> From: "Gautham Ganapathy" To: "FreeBSD Newbies @ FreeBSD.org" Cc: "FreeBSD Firewall @ FreeBSD.org" Subject: Changing a port in a packet Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:29:48 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi How do i configure my firewall so that an incoming connection to port 80 can be diverted to a server on another port, say 60. the packet returned from the server will also need to be modified so that the client sees a packet coming from port 80. Is this possible ? Regards Gautham To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 23:53:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from jester.ti.com (jester.ti.com [192.94.94.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD7A37B6CE; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from dlep7.itg.ti.com ([157.170.134.103]) by jester.ti.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1C7p6911002; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:51:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from dlep7.itg.ti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlep7.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19612; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:51:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from popsvr.india.ti.com (popsvr.india.ti.com [157.87.95.215]) by dlep7.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19563; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:51:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from paspcsham (dhcp86222 [157.87.86.222]) by popsvr.india.ti.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA03929; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:21:01 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <002201c1b39b$82efa210$de56579d@india.ti.com> From: "Gautham Ganapathy" To: "FreeBSD Newbies @ FreeBSD.org" , "FreeBSD Firewall @ FreeBSD.org" Subject: Changing a port in a packet Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:31:42 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi How do i configure my firewall so that an incoming connection to port 80 can be diverted to a server on another port, say 60. the packet returned from the server will also need to be modified so that the client sees a packet coming from port 80. Is this possible ? Regards Gautham To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 11 23:58:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126FA37B826 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com ([12.234.22.238]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020212060941.MBAD1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com>; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:09:41 +0000 Received: from master.gorean.org (root@master.gorean.org [10.0.0.2]) by 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1C69eq25364; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:09:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by master.gorean.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1C69dT19391; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:09:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:09:39 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton X-X-Sender: doug@master.gorean.org To: STUCKYM@prodigy.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: test - ignore. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020211220843.C18729-100000@master.gorean.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 10 Feb 2002 STUCKYM@prodigy.net wrote: > test. pls ignore. Since you're new, you might as well learn now. It's never appropriate to send test e-mails to a public list. There is a test@freebsd.org list you can subscribe to if you want to test delivery through our system. -- "We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. And in this great conflict, ... we will see freedom's victory." - George W. Bush, President of the United States State of the Union, January 28, 2002 Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 12 8:58:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f156.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6C537B416 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:58:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:55:24 -0800 Received: from 24.108.13.173 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:55:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.108.13.173] From: "Matthew Yeo" To: FreeBSD-Newbies@freebsd.org Subject: X question for BSD Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:55:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2002 16:55:24.0999 (UTC) FILETIME=[10DF1570:01C1B3E6] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, Tried this question at the proper X11R86 site and got no response: My new computer arrives Friday with a neat LCD monitor. This monitor will display in portrait or landscape mode- but the supplied utility to switch on the fly only supports Windows. Can X11R86 (any version) be configured to display in portrait mode? This is the *last* thing I require before I switch from Windows forever ... Matthew Yeo _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 12 9:32:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ridley.nist.gov (ridley.nist.gov [129.6.13.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9A937B434 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:32:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from nist.gov (mouse.antd.nist.gov [129.6.50.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by ridley.nist.gov (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1CHPtkU027279; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:26:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C695050.EB436295@nist.gov> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:26:40 -0500 From: Byung-Jae Kwak Organization: NIST, MD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en, ko MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnson David Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: arrgh squared [long] References: <000501c1b28b$fb806ae0$50cd7ad1@ljgms2k> <20020211211418.D5B6737B405@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mr. Johnson David, I am quite new to FreeBSD (just installed FreeBSD 4.5 several days ago), and I am willing to invest my time to learn FreeBSD. Your e-mail helped me a lot, and I will keep your advice (the philosophical difference between Windows and Unix) in mind. You said there are extensive FreeBSD documentations. I have FreeBSD Handbook, and it will keep me busy for a while. But other than that, I didn't find much useful documentation on FreeBSD. Did you mean the "man page"s for Unix commands? Will Linux How-to documentation be helpful to learn FreeBSD? It will be appreciated if you could give me some direction where I can go from here. Thank you very much! Byung-Jae Johnson David wrote: > > On Sunday 10 February 2002 03:37 pm, leegold wrote: > > > The question is: am I learning Unix? Is this hack, > > and typing in cmds told to me, and the book buying, > > ...am I learning Unix? Do I have to take a year of C, > > then a course on Unix system internals, do I have to > > do this to understand how to fix my X? > > I'm not going to answer the above question except to say that step-by-step > howtos won't help you learn Unix, but they will get your X up and running so > that you can stop banging on your system and start using it to learn Unix. > > Now I'm going to radically switch gears. As more and more people attempt to > switch to FreeBSD (or another freenix) in an attempt to escape from Microsoft > systems, frustrations like the above will become more common. These kinds of > posts will become the mainstay of the list in a few short years. The reason > is simple. Microsoft and FreeBSD (and their users) have completely different > philosophies of operating systems. When all you know is one philosophy of > computing, any deviance is viewed as stupidity, ignorance, and in some cases, > heresy. > > The first major difference is the philosophy of the user. The basic > philosophy of Microsoft is "the user is stupid so don't let the user do > anything stupid". The basic philosophy of FreeBSD, on the other hand, is "the > user knows what he is doing so let him do it." This is reflected in a lot of > different things, so I'll remark on just one, the documentation. Microsoft > documention is scanty and presented in a scripted step-by-step fashion. > FreeBSD documentation is extensive and presented in a reference format. > > The second major difference is the philosophy of use. The basic philosophy of > Microsoft is "one system one user." FreeBSD is much different and quite > comfortable with multiple users per system. Even despite the "advances" of NT > over DOS, the Microsoft viewpoint is still firmly centered in the concept of > one user per system. Examples of this are numerous. > > When you combine the two differences above, you begin to understand the > differences in how things are administered. For Win95/98, there simply is no > concept of an adminstrator user, because there is only one user. WinNT/2K is > more advanced because it at least recognizes the need for an administrator, > file permissions, and the like. But even there an administrator isn't > mandatory. Under FreeBSD the root account isn't even optional, and file > permissions are integral to understanding how things work. The Win95/98 way > works well for single user stand alone systems. The FreeBSD way works well > for networks of workstations. > > > Would I be better off w/Debian? > > Hmmm, not really. It's still a Unix (or at least pretends to be a Unix), so > you will be facing the same frustrations you have with FreeBSD. The advantage > of Debian is that Linux has many more users, so you have many more sources of > help. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 12 10:42:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCEF37B419 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA167E; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:38:45 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:38:01 -0800 Received: from there (dhcp-46-150.acuson.com [157.226.46.150]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CJVDG5N6; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:29:02 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Byung-Jae Kwak Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="euc-kr" Organization: Acuson Subject: Re: arrgh squared [long] Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:38:41 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <000501c1b28b$fb806ae0$50cd7ad1@ljgms2k> <20020211211418.D5B6737B405@hub.freebsd.org> <3C695050.EB436295@nist.gov> In-Reply-To: <3C695050.EB436295@nist.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020212184214.5CCEF37B419@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 12 February 2002 09:26 am, Byung-Jae Kwak wrote: > You said there are extensive FreeBSD documentations. > I have FreeBSD Handbook, and it will keep me busy for > a while. But other than that, I didn't find much useful > documentation on FreeBSD. Did you mean the "man page"s > for Unix commands? Will Linux How-to documentation be > helpful to learn FreeBSD? It will be appreciated if you. > could give me some direction where I can go from here. > Thank you very much! The FreeBSD Handbook is your starting point. There's a lot of good stuff in it. Then examine your /usr/share/doc directory. You'll find a FreeBSD FAQ, which has a lot of good information, and some other more specialized articles. One of note is "new-users", which in my English installation is installed under /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/new-users. Then I would suggest "FreeBSD: An Open Source Operating System for Your PC" by Annelise Anderson. The "Complete FreeBSD" is very good, but much more advanced. Online I would check out and both which contain many FreeBSD related articles. Do not ignore the man pages. Although they are not written in a tutorial style, they are very useful to teach you detailed information for a command. There are also some "general purpose" man pages that go into some topics in great detail. Examples of these are "hier", "security", "firewall" and "ports". FreeBSD has a much better collection of man pages than Linux. Finally, there is a package/port called "Howto" that contains a few of the Linux HOWTOs modified for FreeBSD. The other Linux HOWTOs (at www.linuxdoc.org) are still useful. The exact details they present may not be appropriate for FreeBSD, but their general overall knowledge is good. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 12 11: 5:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pc1-dale5-0-cust136.not.cable.ntl.com (pc1-dale5-0-cust136.not.cable.ntl.com [80.1.76.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65F0637B41D for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2627 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 19:01:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO matt.thebigchoice.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 19:01:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:01:18 +0000 From: Matt H To: "Matthew Yeo" Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X question for BSD Message-Id: <20020212190118.45c19d8f.matt@proweb.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:55:24 -0700 "Matthew Yeo" wrote: > Hi folks, > > Tried this question at the proper X11R86 site and got no response: in Xfree4.x (dont know about 3.3.x) ctrl-alt-minus ctrl-alt-plus changes between the available video modes (as defined in /etc/X11/XF86Config) SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "640x480" "800x600" "1400x1050" EndSubSection To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 12 14:43:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2B437B433 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from posthuman ([66.120.191.10]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GRF004UAZ476B@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:43:27 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:43:19 -0800 From: Posthuman Subject: ssh question. To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <001e01c1b416$ae84bf20$0abf7842@posthuman> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I would like to know if there is anything more I can do to secure connection to my box. I have ssh installed and I did an ssh keygen. Anything I have to do more? I noticed this message before 2 days it happens more than 200 times. Feb 10 22:22:43 matrix sshd[302]: fatal: Timeout before authentication for 212.111.239.36. Is this normal? Or I should do something more to secure it? Thanks in advance -p To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 12 15:46: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5578637B404 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:45:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA92374; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:36:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:36:59 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: Matt H Cc: Matthew Yeo , FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X question for BSD In-Reply-To: <20020212190118.45c19d8f.matt@proweb.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Matt H wrote: > On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:55:24 -0700 > "Matthew Yeo" wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > Tried this question at the proper X11R86 site and got no response: > > > in Xfree4.x (dont know about 3.3.x) It's the same in 3.3.x. > ctrl-alt-minus > ctrl-alt-plus > > changes between the available video modes (as defined in /etc/X11/XF86Config) > > SubSection "Display" > Depth 24 > Modes "640x480" "800x600" "1400x1050" > EndSubSection I had a Sony Picturebook for a while that had a wide screen. I got an XF86Config on the web somewhere--designed for Linux, so I had to make a few modifications. But the modes included 1240X480 or something like that, which worked perfectly. Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 12 15:49: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89C037B404 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:48:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA92413; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:46:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:46:29 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: Johnson David Cc: Byung-Jae Kwak , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: arrgh squared [long] In-Reply-To: <20020212184214.5CCEF37B419@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Johnson David wrote: > On Tuesday 12 February 2002 09:26 am, Byung-Jae Kwak wrote: > > > You said there are extensive FreeBSD documentations. > > I have FreeBSD Handbook, and it will keep me busy for > > a while. But other than that, I didn't find much useful > > documentation on FreeBSD. Did you mean the "man page"s > > for Unix commands? Will Linux How-to documentation be > > helpful to learn FreeBSD? It will be appreciated if you. > > > could give me some direction where I can go from here. > > Thank you very much! > > The FreeBSD Handbook is your starting point. There's a lot of good stuff in > it. Then examine your /usr/share/doc directory. You'll find a FreeBSD FAQ, > which has a lot of good information, and some other more specialized > articles. One of note is "new-users", which in my English installation is > installed under /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/new-users. > > Then I would suggest "FreeBSD: An Open Source Operating System for Your PC" > by Annelise Anderson. The "Complete FreeBSD" is very good, but much more > advanced. I think you also need a book that covers UNIX utilities in depth--to find out what's there and as a reference. I have UNIX for the Impatient (Abrahams & Larson) for this purpose. The FreeBSD-specific documentation does not, in general, try to duplicate such comprehensive coverage. I think UNIX Power Tools is an alternative to UNIX for the Impatient. The UNIX System Administration Handbook is also good (although expensive) on system administration matters, and uses FreeBSD as one of its four example systems. It is a good overview of how the system is put together. A couple of other books that have useful stuff are Think UNIX and UNIX Hints and Hacks. You could get along with one of these as a substitute for a comprehensive reference. A book on your chosen shell is also nice to have. Annelise > Online I would check out > and both which contain many FreeBSD related > articles. > > Do not ignore the man pages. Although they are not written in a tutorial > style, they are very useful to teach you detailed information for a command. > There are also some "general purpose" man pages that go into some topics in > great detail. Examples of these are "hier", "security", "firewall" and > "ports". FreeBSD has a much better collection of man pages than Linux. > > Finally, there is a package/port called "Howto" that contains a few of the > Linux HOWTOs modified for FreeBSD. The other Linux HOWTOs (at > www.linuxdoc.org) are still useful. The exact details they present may not be > appropriate for FreeBSD, but their general overall knowledge is good. > > David -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 12 16:57:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E58D37B402 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:57:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from 208-58-225-126.s380.tnt1.clmb.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.225.126] helo=ljgms2k) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16anjR-0004Su-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:57:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c1b429$73776d70$7ee13ad0@ljgms2k> From: "leegold" To: Subject: I can't get my X problem solved Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:57:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have posted to the questions group but no one has offered to help me sove my X problem. Should I repost to the questions group? What should I do? Would anyone agree to personally help me? Xwrappers is installed but I can still not startx as a user. Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 12 17: 5:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.whitey.at (chello212186056066.12.vie.surfer.at [212.186.56.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9722037B402 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:05:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 94722 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 01:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dcons) (192.168.1.3) by 0 with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 01:08:42 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c1b42a$9056d380$0301a8c0@dcons> From: "Christian Weihs" To: "leegold" , References: <000801c1b429$73776d70$7ee13ad0@ljgms2k> Subject: Re: I can't get my X problem solved Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:05:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, > > I have posted to the questions group but no one > has offered to help me sove my X problem. > > Should I repost to the questions group? > What should I do? Would anyone agree > to personally help me? > > Xwrappers is installed but I can still > not startx as a user. > > Thanks I couldn't get it to work either. So I used the 'cheap and dirty' solution: # chmod 4755 /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 Not good if in an open environment but for a lone home desktop ok, I guess. cu Christian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 12 21:47:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAFEF37B404 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA9D8; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:13:35 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:12:51 -0800 Received: from there (dhcp-46-150.acuson.com [157.226.46.150]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CJVDG52F; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:03:51 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Matthew Yeo , FreeBSD-Newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Acuson Subject: Re: X question for BSD Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:13:30 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020213054715.DAFEF37B404@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 12 February 2002 08:55 am, Matthew Yeo wrote: > Hi folks, > > Tried this question at the proper X11R86 site and got no response: > > My new computer arrives Friday with a neat LCD monitor. This monitor will > display in portrait or landscape mode- but the supplied utility to switch > on the fly only supports Windows. Can X11R86 (any version) be configured > to display in portrait mode? This is the *last* thing I require before I > switch from Windows forever ... An interesting question. I've never seen this monitor, but I see no reason why it couldn't be done. I would suggest posting the question to freebsd-questions, where they have very many experts in XFree86. I would also do a search in the XFree86 mailing list archives (not the X11R6 list archives) for your monitor's name. Good luck. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 12 22:49:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1751837B405 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from praxis ([24.51.242.47]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GRGLLX00.831; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 01:49:09 -0500 Message-ID: <005201c1b45a$89efe060$2ff23318@praxis> From: "Joshua" To: Cc: "lula" , "Tutor Python" References: <20020213054715.DAFEF37B404@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Weird emails Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:49:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have gotten the following email three times. Twice from the same person and once from someone else. It doesn't have any attachments just the following info. Anyone have any ideas what this is from? It also says the sender is localhost. Is it just someone testing their apache install and why would I get it? >message< From: Apache Subject: sD|socerkid abord your trade Message: echange aborted ! >/message< Thanks, Joshua To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 12 23:57:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f25.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7278337B416 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:57:21 -0800 Received: from 67.195.251.15 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:57:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.195.251.15] From: "Seamus Roche" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [free-bsd newbies]WHOO- HOO! Installed 4.3 on 1st try Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:57:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2002 07:57:21.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[10C43D30:01C1B464] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After anticipating installing FreeBSD 4.3 for the last four months I installed on a Compaq P2 333mhz with 64MBRam. On my first try, this past weekend. The book I used was "FreeBSD: An Open Source Operating System for Your PC"by Annelise Anderson. I highly recommend this book to all you other newbies out there. It really rocks. I am only about halfway into it and trying to take it slowly. I am a web developer by day mostly from the Windows ASP side but grew to love UNIX using CVS on Solaris for an ATG Dynamo implementation where I was an HTML coder. I didn't want to use Linux and Windows is too expensive(and I've slowly killed every windows machine I have ever had). I plan to use my new FreeBSD machine as a Unix Workstation where I can learn Perl, Java and UNIX web administration with Apache and PHP. I will definately have questions for this list as I move on. Esp about X, installing Perl stuff and installing a modem so I can dial up(the box can't use the WinModem). So, I just thought I'd share that will all the other newbies. The biggest thing I had going for me before the install was that this was a used receptionists machine and she didn't really use much of it, so It was easy to clean off and scale down. My FreeBSD slice is a tasty 2GB, sandwiched inbetween a Gig of crufty Win98 on either side. Thanks for the bandwidth, Seamus _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 0:20:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.salzburg-online.at (smtp.salzburg-online.at [213.153.38.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE0737B402 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from conova.com (stargate-32-181.salzburg-online.at [213.153.32.181] (may be forged)) by smtp.salzburg-online.at (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g1D8KXJ11220 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:20:34 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3C6A22A0.3050402@conova.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:24:00 +0100 From: Draschl Clemens User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ssh question. References: <001e01c1b416$ae84bf20$0abf7842@posthuman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Posthuman wrote: > > Feb 10 22:22:43 matrix sshd[302]: fatal: Timeout before authentication > for 212.111.239.36. > it normally just means, that you have waited too long before you typed in you password, when you connected to your sshd from remote. nothing to worry. take a look at your sshd_config and search for the timeout-value greets clemens -- Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 3:10:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.cz (diana.mobil.cz [195.39.16.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1267B37B402 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ester.mobil.cz (ester.mobil.cz [194.213.62.23]) by mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1DBAac20405 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:10:36 +0100 Received: from roman.mobil.cz ([10.2.0.89]) by ester.mobil.cz (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.7) with ESMTP id 2002021312072103:3875 ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:07:21 +0100 Received: (from roman@localhost) by roman.mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1DBMDC62035 for FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:22:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from neuhauser@mobil.cz) X-Authentication-Warning: roman.mobil.cz: roman set sender to neuhauser@mobil.cz using -f Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:22:13 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Weird emails Message-ID: <20020213112213.GY19456@roman.mobil.cz> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020213054715.DAFEF37B404@hub.freebsd.org> <005201c1b45a$89efe060$2ff23318@praxis> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <005201c1b45a$89efe060$2ff23318@praxis> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/13/2002 12:07:21 PM, Serialize by Router on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/13/2002 12:07:26 PM, Serialize complete at 02/13/2002 12:07:26 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: "Joshua" > To: > Cc: "lula" , "Tutor Python" > Subject: Weird emails > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:49:09 -0800 > > I have gotten the following email three times. Twice from the same person you should know that posting to lists by using "reply" to send a post unrelated to the text to which you reply vastly decreases your chances of getting a reply (other than "don't do that"). wanna know why? look how it looks e. g. in mutt: 6013 Feb 12 Matthew Yeo ( 19) X question for BSD 6014 Feb 12 Johnson David ( 23) |-> 6015 Feb 12 Joshua ( 22) | `->Weird emails 6016 Feb 12 Matt H ( 25) `-> 6017 N Feb 12 Annelise Anders ( 41) `-> your question often ends up buried quite deep in an unrelated thread, and it's disturbing. don't do it, please. plus, how is this related to freebsd, and how is this related to python? -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 12:13PM up 23 days, 18:37, 20 users, load averages: 0.22, 0.07, 0.02 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 3:34:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.cz (diana.mobil.cz [195.39.16.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3F037B405 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ester.mobil.cz (ester.mobil.cz [194.213.62.23]) by mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1DBYRc23229 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:34:28 +0100 Received: from roman.mobil.cz ([10.2.0.89]) by ester.mobil.cz (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.7) with ESMTP id 2002021312311147:3914 ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:31:11 +0100 Received: (from roman@localhost) by roman.mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1DBk5162238 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:46:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from neuhauser@mobil.cz) X-Authentication-Warning: roman.mobil.cz: roman set sender to neuhauser@mobil.cz using -f Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:46:05 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I can't get my X problem solved Message-ID: <20020213114605.GB19456@roman.mobil.cz> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <000801c1b429$73776d70$7ee13ad0@ljgms2k> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000801c1b429$73776d70$7ee13ad0@ljgms2k> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/13/2002 12:31:11 PM, Serialize by Router on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/13/2002 12:31:17 PM, Serialize complete at 02/13/2002 12:31:17 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: "leegold" > To: > Subject: I can't get my X problem solved > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:57:44 -0500 > > Hi, > > I have posted to the questions group but no one > has offered to help me sove my X problem. > > Should I repost to the questions group? > What should I do? Would anyone agree > to personally help me? > > Xwrappers is installed but I can still > not startx as a user. I thought I wrote to ask you to resend the message id's... I might not be the best advice because I haven't had much trouble installing X on a few boxen besides forgetting a step in the procedure... But will try to help. -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 12:43PM up 23 days, 19:06, 20 users, load averages: 0.11, 0.04, 0.01 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 6:31:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7B237B416 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 06:31:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from chip.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id A91EAD500D0; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 06:33:02 -0800 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 06:31:20 +0000 From: Chip Wiegand To: "Seamus Roche" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [free-bsd newbies]WHOO- HOO! Installed 4.3 on 1st try Message-Id: <20020213063120.2809c007.chip@wiegand.org> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Alternative Operating Systems X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.0claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:57:20 +0000 "Seamus Roche" wrote: > After anticipating installing FreeBSD 4.3 for the last four months I > installed on a Compaq P2 333mhz with 64MBRam. On my first try, this > past weekend. Congratulations! I've always been able to get FBSD installed on the first try, about a dozen times over the last couple years. The only problem I've ever had were in regards to trying the latest version of XFree86. > I plan to use my new FreeBSD machine as a Unix Workstation where I can > learn Perl, Java and UNIX web administration with Apache and PHP. Now you can set up apache/php/mysql and learn some really powerful stuff. PHP is great and much better than ASP. > I will definately have questions for this list as I move on. Esp > about X, installing Perl stuff and installing a modem so I can dial > up(the box can't use the WinModem). Use an external modem and you won't go wrong. > So, I just thought I'd share that will all the other newbies. The > biggest thing I had going for me before the install was that this was > a used receptionists machine and she didn't really use much of it, so > It was easy to clean off and scale down. > > My FreeBSD slice is a tasty 2GB, sandwiched inbetween a Gig of crufty > Win98 on either side. Once again, congratulations. Now before you go installing any apps you may want to consider upgrading to FreeBSD 4.5, it was just released in the last week or two. -- Chip www.wiegand.org chip@wiegand.org > Thanks for the bandwidth, > Seamus > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 6:48: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.cz (diana.mobil.cz [195.39.16.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E96E37B405 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 06:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ester.mobil.cz (ester.mobil.cz [194.213.62.23]) by mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1DEm1c26094 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:48:02 +0100 Received: from roman.mobil.cz ([10.2.0.89]) by ester.mobil.cz (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.7) with ESMTP id 2002021315444586:4146 ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:44:45 +0100 Received: (from roman@localhost) by roman.mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1DExdd66216 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:59:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from neuhauser@mobil.cz) X-Authentication-Warning: roman.mobil.cz: roman set sender to neuhauser@mobil.cz using -f Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:59:39 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [free-bsd newbies]WHOO- HOO! Installed 4.3 on 1st try Message-ID: <20020213145939.GG19456@roman.mobil.cz> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020213063120.2809c007.chip@wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20020213063120.2809c007.chip@wiegand.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/13/2002 03:44:45 PM, Serialize by Router on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/13/2002 03:44:51 PM, Serialize complete at 02/13/2002 03:44:51 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 06:31:20 +0000 > From: Chip Wiegand > To: "Seamus Roche" > Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: [free-bsd newbies]WHOO- HOO! Installed 4.3 on 1st try > > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:57:20 +0000 > "Seamus Roche" wrote: > > I will definately have questions for this list as I move on. Esp > > about X, installing Perl stuff and installing a modem so I can dial > > up(the box can't use the WinModem). > > Use an external modem and you won't go wrong. Well, watch out for USB modems. There's been a thread in questions about these just recently. Looks like most of them don't work with FreeBSD. So you'll want *serial* modem, to be precise. -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 3:57PM up 23 days, 22:21, 25 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.19, 0.17 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 7:16:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe66.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C8237B400 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:16:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:16:32 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [207.183.53.213] From: "Daniel C." To: Subject: I'm stomped... Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:16:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1B477.8E0CDC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2002 15:16:32.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B13D240:01C1B4A1] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1B477.8E0CDC80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01C1B477.8E117060" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C1B477.8E117060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have a small problem, I do the installation and post-installation = of freeBSD but when it reboots, I get error 6: unable to mount root: = wd1s1a I'm not sure where to go from there.=20 Thanks in advance.. ps: btw, I'm new to BSD but I've been using linux for the past almost 10 = years...=20 _________________________________________ Daniel C. xored@hotmail.com ICQ#:24485943 Current ICQ status:=20 _________________________________________=20 ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C1B477.8E117060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm stomped... Message-ID: <20020214023301.T60024@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Sue Blake , "Daniel C." , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from xored@hotmail.com on Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 10:16:36AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 10:16:36AM -0500, Daniel C. wrote: > Hi, I have a small problem, I do the installation and post-installation of freeBSD but when it reboots, I get error 6: unable to mount root: wd1s1a > > I'm not sure where to go from there. > > Thanks in advance.. > > ps: btw, I'm new to BSD but I've been using linux for the past almost 10 years... A very very simple answer for you: Send your question to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org and be sure to tell them which version of FreeBSD you are installing. Besides the fact that we don't normally deal with how-to/support questions here, we have been specifically asked to ensure that ********* all installation-related problems ******** no matter how simple, are only dealt with on freebsd-questions list. If anyone else asks, it'd be appreciated if list members would very gently point them over to freebsd-questions. Daniel, feel free to post to -newbies any general chat that wouldn't be right on the more technical lists, or ask here for advice about using the mailing lists if you ever need it. I hope we'll see you again when you have this sorted out. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 10: 6:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA42B37B405 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from MrK1nt@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id n.192.233bbbf (15870) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID69-0213130626; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:06:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:06:26 EST From: MrK1nt@aol.com Subject: Kingston NIC's To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <192.233bbbf.299c0522@aol.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I posted a "networking" email a few weeks ago and someone had mentioned something about a Kingston NIC card that didnt give any problems with FBSD. Can someone please tell me what model it was?? I forgot which one. TIA! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 10:55:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dracula.info.kiev.ua (dracula.info.net.ua [212.26.132.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D172E37B402 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:55:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by dracula.info.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) with UUCP id g1DIsVq40932 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:54:31 +0200 (EET) Received: by lena.kiev.ua (UUPC/@ v6.16, 16Apr96) id AA04325; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:48:43 +0200 (EET) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: From: Lena@lena.kiev.ua Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:48:43 +0200 (EET) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.43 MSDOS] Subject: Re: Old Computer MIME-Version: 1.0 Lines: 100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, It's my first post on Unix-related forums. I think that my question is more appropriate here than on freebsd-questions, but if not then say and I'll post there (or is there even more appropriate place?). Please advise which packages/ports to select in described below circumstances. > From: "Freddie Cash" > > 8meg ram > You'll need more ram. FreeBSD will run in 8 megs, but unless you > feel like getting into the nitty gritty, the installer won't run. > Needs at least 12 megs for the installer to run properly. > I don't think you'll be > able to run XFree on there (I know GNOME and KDE won't run, but > maybe just plain X will) I just upgraded to second-hand AMD K6-166, Award BIOS (1997), 32M RAM, PCI videocard S3 Trio 64V2/DX (755) with 1M videomemory, new 20G IDE HDD (Seagate ST320410A), new Chinese (Actima A36J) 36x CD-ROM, a sound card with "Yamaha YMF719E-S" printed on the main chip (BIOS' PnP says "OPL3-SA3"), still use old color VGA monitor 14" (with the new videocard have to use a DOS program for decrease of refresh rate to lowest for 800x600, 1024x768 doesn't work - out of synch - even with lowest refresh rate), 14400 data/fax/voice internal modem (ISA bus) with Cirrus Logic chipset (no sense to upgrade modem because of ancient analog phone station), serial 3-buttons mouse, Fujitsu DL900 matrix printer (24 needles). Currently I use DOS with QEMM and Windows 3.1 mostly as a task switcher between several DOS-sessions, each with a Norton Commander clone run in full-screen 80x25 text mode (bright white or bright cyan text on dark blue background), it's doesn't stress my eyes. I use a small text editor with block functions and WordStar-like keys (Ctrl-K B to mark beginning of block etc.) also in 80x25 text mode. My main Internet access is email-only (UUCP dial-up) - it's substantially cheaper than full online (we here have to pay for local phone calls by minute, quite expensive for me), but sometimes I use full online access - PPP dial-up with usual (without PAP etc.) authentication (currently Netscape 3.01 and Trumpet Winsock under Windows 3.1). I know Perl, C, Assembler, DOS commands (command-line is OK for me :), some of internals of DOS and hardware (designed and made an ISA card), a little Unix shells, sometime worked as a computer technician and system programmer on Soviet IBM-360/370-compatible mainframes. I plan to install (from a CD when it'll be available locally) FreeBSD 4.5-Release as dual-boot, HDD set in BIOS as LBA, first 2G of HDD as one DOS FAT16 partition, the rest for FreeBSD: 128M swap (may be later I'll upgrade RAM if needed, but would prefer to save the expense), the rest as one piece I'd prefer: I don't like lack of space on one partition/slice with plenty of space on another. Please advise which packages/ports to select: 1. A set of a window manager and a graphical web-browser able to use TrueColor 640x480 mode and HiColor 800x600 mode. Besides browser in full-screen graphical mode, the window manager must support several switchable from keyboard (I rarely use mouse except with web-browser) sessions using full-screen 80x25 text mode. Browser must be able to work not only online, but also offline, be launched from a mail client (if HTML source of web-page arrived as an attachment to a letter) and fill forms with
; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA691E; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:06:15 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:05:29 -0800 Received: from there (dhcp-46-150.acuson.com [157.226.46.150]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CJVDHBJD; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:56:27 -0800 From: Johnson David To: leegold , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Acuson Subject: Re: I can't get my X problem solved Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:06:07 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <000801c1b429$73776d70$7ee13ad0@ljgms2k> In-Reply-To: <000801c1b429$73776d70$7ee13ad0@ljgms2k> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020213190618.945F037B405@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 12 February 2002 04:57 pm, leegold wrote: > Hi, > > I have posted to the questions group but no one > has offered to help me sove my X problem. > > Should I repost to the questions group? > What should I do? Would anyone agree > to personally help me? Well, your email is bogus, with no clue as to its proper permutation. Using leegold@worldpost.com didnt work either. Makes it hard to reply off list. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 11:53: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BE537B417 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1DJqQT83249; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:52:26 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:52:25 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Lena@lena.kiev.ua Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Old Computer Message-ID: <20020214065225.V60024@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Sue Blake , Lena@lena.kiev.ua, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Lena@lena.kiev.ua on Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 08:48:43PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 08:48:43PM +0200, Lena@lena.kiev.ua wrote: > Hi, > > It's my first post on Unix-related forums. Welcome! > I think that my question is more appropriate here than on > freebsd-questions, but if not then say and I'll post there > (or is there even more appropriate place?). Your question doesn't belong anywhere else, so it's fine here. > Please advise which packages/ports to select in described below > circumstances. I'll answer part of this. > Currently I use DOS with QEMM and Windows 3.1 mostly as a task switcher > between several DOS-sessions, each with a Norton Commander clone > run in full-screen 80x25 text mode (bright white or bright cyan text > on dark blue background), it's doesn't stress my eyes. I use a small > text editor with block functions and WordStar-like keys (Ctrl-K B > to mark beginning of block etc.) also in 80x25 text mode. That sounds very much like where I was, before using FreeBSD. I highly recommend the text editor joe, it's exactly like what you are used to, and small, full featured. It comes in a unix version and a DOS version too. Midnight Commander is quite similar to Norton, you'll love it. Other people might offer ideas for your other needs. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 12:41:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.cz (diana.mobil.cz [195.39.16.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3209737B402 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:41:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ester.mobil.cz (ester.mobil.cz [194.213.62.23]) by mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1DKfWc31766 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:41:33 +0100 Received: from roman.mobil.cz ([10.2.0.89]) by ester.mobil.cz (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.7) with ESMTP id 2002021321381635:4422 ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:38:16 +0100 Received: (from roman@localhost) by roman.mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1DKrB069699 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:53:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from neuhauser@mobil.cz) X-Authentication-Warning: roman.mobil.cz: roman set sender to neuhauser@mobil.cz using -f Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:53:11 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Old Computer Message-ID: <20020213205311.GS19456@roman.mobil.cz> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/13/2002 09:38:16 PM, Serialize by Router on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/13/2002 09:38:22 PM, Serialize complete at 02/13/2002 09:38:22 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > From: Lena@lena.kiev.ua > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:48:43 +0200 (EET) > Subject: Re: Old Computer > > Currently I use DOS with QEMM and Windows 3.1 mostly as a task switcher > between several DOS-sessions, each with a Norton Commander clone > run in full-screen 80x25 text mode (bright white or bright cyan text > on dark blue background), it's doesn't stress my eyes. I use a small > text editor with block functions and WordStar-like keys (Ctrl-K B > to mark beginning of block etc.) also in 80x25 text mode. Is it Text602 by any chance? :) As noted by Sue, you'll likely end up using midc, an NC-clone. Personally, I don't like it. Back in my windows days, I loved wincmd; it probably played part in my disappointment with midc. The other (and much bigger) reason I dislike midc is that I find shell much better (wincmd was kind of a replacement for a working shell). Now that I don't need a file manager (other than shell), I don't see a reason to use one. You might come to that conclusion, too. > My main Internet access is email-only (UUCP dial-up) - it's substantially > cheaper than full online (we here have to pay for local phone calls > by minute, quite expensive for me), but sometimes I use full online > access - PPP dial-up with usual (without PAP etc.) authentication > (currently Netscape 3.01 and Trumpet Winsock under Windows 3.1). > > I know Perl, C, Assembler, DOS commands (command-line is OK for me :), ... > Please advise which packages/ports to select: > > 1. A set of a window manager and a graphical web-browser > able to use TrueColor 640x480 mode and HiColor 800x600 mode. This is the X server's job, AFAIK. Xfree86-3.3.6 is "in the base system", i. e. if you choose to install X during the system installation, you'll get that version. Otherwise, 4.1.x is in the ports; you'll want to install it from the packages on the cd's. It took a few hours to build on a Celeron 800 w/ 128 megs RAM. > Besides browser in full-screen graphical mode, You're accustomed to Netscape 3. That one is in the ports (and packages), too. > the window manager must support several switchable from keyboard > (I rarely use mouse except with web-browser) sessions using > full-screen 80x25 text mode. Looks like it's been some time since your unix days (or things changed so much? I don't know, I'm a greenhorn myself). You're confusing two things: if you want several 80x25 (or other) text-mode screens, you don't need X. FreeBSD has 8 consoles by default; you switch between them with alt+F[1-8]. If you want several graphical screens (or "workspaces"), that's you window manager's job. I use blackbox. Light, doesn't take space on the screen. It doesn't handle keyboard shortcuts itself, but uses a standalone app (bbkeys) instead. I have it configured to switch wokspaces, windows, move/resize windows, start apps. It's not perfect though. You might want to try ratpoison, which shoud be (never used it myself) a completely "mouseless" window manager. > Browser must be able to work not only online, but also offline, do you mean "able to browse cached pages offline"? if netscape 3 does this in windows, it should do this in unix, too. > be launched from a mail client (if HTML source of web-page > arrived as an attachment to a letter) that (invoking browser) is your mail client's job. I use mutt: it's console based (like, say, midc), which means no fscking mouse clicking is required, it's configurable... it's great. mutt doesn't handle launching a browser itself. instead, there's a script that mutt invokes with the message, which looks up all mailto, ftp, http... URLs, presents them in a list, and lets you fire a program (according to a config file). actually, I know at least two such scripts. one is a bourne (sh) shell script, the other is written in python. > and fill forms with > > 2. A simple text editor with DOS-like control/keys/commands > and block commands able to use screen in 80x25 text mode, > may be built-in in an analog of Norton Commander. I'll leave this to Sue, as I've never used wordstar. as for the file manager: you can of course tell midc to use whateve editor you prefer. > 3. A text editor able to use TrueType fonts, preferably able > to read files made by Write editor of Windows 3.1. no idea. > 4. Something like copy-paste function of Windows used from keyboard > (not mouse) and able to transfer chunks of text from one > full-screen/window/session to another. if you want to copy text from one console to another, you must use mouse. in X, marked text is automatically put in the clipboard, and pasting is done by shift+insert (or MMB). > 5. A voice/sound spectrum analyzer, preferably real-time, no idea. -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 9:12PM up 24 days, 3:35, 25 users, load averages: 0.11, 0.07, 0.03 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 13:48:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from 1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127E637B400 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2B91918F7; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B75C18F6; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:48:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:48:33 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hamell To: Seamus Roche Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [free-bsd newbies]WHOO- HOO! Installed 4.3 on 1st try In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I will definately have questions for this list as I move on. Esp about X, > installing Perl stuff and installing a modem so I can dial up(the box can't > use the WinModem). Make sure you ask these in -questions, not -newbies and this list is not for technical questions. Rick ******************************************************************* New home page: http://1nova.com Ace Logan's Hardware Guide @ http://www.markeedragon.com FreeBSD - The power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 14:49:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.pwhsnet.com (adsl-64-168-100-13.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [64.168.100.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5347637B400 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus (zeus [192.168.0.35] (may be forged)) by apollo.pwhsnet.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g1DMlaT28350; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:47:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patrick@pwhsnet.com) Message-ID: <004901c1b4df$cc268df0$2300a8c0@zeus> From: "Patrick Fish" To: , References: <192.233bbbf.299c0522@aol.com> Subject: Re: Kingston NIC's Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:43:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In the future, post your questions on freebsd-questions. I have a Kingston KNE1111TX, it runs with FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE with no problems... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 10:06 AM Subject: Kingston NIC's > I posted a "networking" email a few weeks ago and someone had mentioned something about a Kingston NIC card that didnt give any problems with FBSD. Can someone please tell me what model it was?? I forgot which one. > > TIA! > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 15:59: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C2C37B402 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:59:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from chip.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id ADBAF4400D2; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:58:50 -0800 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:58:28 +0000 From: Chip Wiegand To: Roman Neuhauser Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [free-bsd newbies]WHOO- HOO! Installed 4.3 on 1st try Message-Id: <20020213155828.0c3d87d2.chip@wiegand.org> In-Reply-To: <20020213145939.GG19456@roman.mobil.cz> References: <20020213063120.2809c007.chip@wiegand.org> <20020213145939.GG19456@roman.mobil.cz> Organization: Alternative Operating Systems X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.0claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:59:39 +0100 Roman Neuhauser wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:57:20 +0000 > > "Seamus Roche" wrote: > > > I will definately have questions for this list as I move on. Esp > > > about X, installing Perl stuff and installing a modem so I can > > > dial up(the box can't use the WinModem). > > > > Use an external modem and you won't go wrong. > > Well, watch out for USB modems. There's been a thread in questions > about these just recently. Looks like most of them don't work with > FreeBSD. So you'll want *serial* modem, to be precise. Thanks for the clarification. I haven't been following the usb threads, I don't have any usb devices. -- Chip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 22:21:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from diligence.com (diligence.com [216.166.138.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 203A037B400 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7854 invoked by uid 535); 13 Feb 2002 23:21:24 -0700 Received: from tim@diligence.com by pdc.diligence.com with qmail-scanner-0.94 (. Clean. Processed in 0.097908 secs); 02/13/2002 23:21:24 Received: from unknown (HELO tim2) (216.166.138.76) by pdc.diligence.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 23:21:24 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20020213225337.00a4b150@mail.diligence.com> X-Sender: tuckun@mail.diligence.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:23:16 -0800 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tim Uckun Subject: First impressions of freebsd 4.5 In-Reply-To: <20020213155828.0c3d87d2.chip@wiegand.org> References: <20020213145939.GG19456@roman.mobil.cz> <20020213063120.2809c007.chip@wiegand.org> <20020213145939.GG19456@roman.mobil.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all. I just installed freebsd 4.5. I am migrating from debian. I just wanted to share my experience. None of this is meant as a question just some ranting. The install went pretty smooth. It glitched on the X setup but I reset the system and did a /stand/sysinstall and finished it OK. The KDE seemed to install with the minimum items. No cool transparent effects, no neat sysadmin tools. Just a gui and nothing else. I was a bit disapointed but no biggie I don't use X all that much anyway. I tried to install cvsd but it failed. Somehow some dependency is screwed up. The start script it installed calls start-stop-daemon but no such file exists. I could not find it in the ports anywhere. Now I guess I have to track it down someplace. The apache port and the php port did not go so smoothly either. The php make install did not modify the httpd.conf. That's as far as I got. It's been pretty frustrating I'd say especially compared to debian. I really miss apt-cache search. There ought to be a way to search the ports collection for what you want. Apt can search through the descriptions of all available packages and this is of immense help when you are not sure what you want. If you do apt-cache search pop3 you will not only get a list of all pop servers but also web interfaces, clients, enhancements etc. I will really miss that a lot. Also I find the file hierarchy very frustrating. Debian seemed logical to me. Things like databases, ldap files etc all went into the /var hierarchy which I always thought was reserved for "variable" meaning data that changes a lot. Freebsd wants to put them in /usr/local/someplace Where I used to back up /var and /etc I need to back up all kinds of places I guess. /usr/libexec is not in the path (why not is this some security thing?). I think /usr/local/etc/rc.d is a bit silly. What is wrong with /etc/init.d at least it's less typing. I also don't like the fact that some config files are in /etc some are in /usr/local/etc. I used to import the /etc directory into cvs now I need to do it for two directories. Also there seems to be some inconsistency with the way ports install. PHP wants to put the ini file in /etc (or was it /usr/local/etc) and Apache wants to put it in /usr/local/apache. In debian it was so nice every package had it's own directory in /etc you always knew where to look for config files instead of constantly searching for them. You know it's awfully convenient to type grep -r "something" /etc/* I find it annoying that the ports try to compile everything. I have two machines and one of them is pretty old it takes forever to install anything. If I try to pkg_add I need to know exactly where the package is. I tried doing pkg_add ftp://yada.yada/somepath/cvsup.x.x.tgz and it did not ask me questions or say anything I wonder if it went OK. In debian if you know the name of the package you can install it. If you want to install postfix just type apt-get install postfix. That will not only install postfix but will also uninstall sendmail. It knows which packages are equivalents of each other. That is pretty cool I wonder if ports know that too. Where is the equivalent of apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? How do I keep my system up to date and hack free. getting ls colors on putty was a bitch. I am sure there is a method to this madness. I am sure I will have to get used to the freebsd way of doing things. I just wanted to get that off my chest. Take it as a rant or constructive criticism On a positive note the default install was very secure (except I immediately killed sendmail of course). ---------------------------------------------- Tim Uckun Mobile Intelligence Unit. ---------------------------------------------- "There are some who call me TIM?" ---------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 22:48:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ocis.net (mailserver.ocis.net [209.52.173.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B01337B400 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from host64.wireless.kamloops.net ([64.114.144.93] helo=phoenix) by mail.ocis.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16bFh9-00008m-00; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:48:39 -0800 From: "Freddie Cash" Organization: PhoenixTek Consulting To: Tim Uckun Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:15:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: First impressions of freebsd 4.5 Reply-To: fcash@bigfoot.com Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3C6AE593.32696.B13E595@localhost> In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.20020213225337.00a4b150@mail.diligence.com> References: <20020213155828.0c3d87d2.chip@wiegand.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I just installed freebsd 4.5. I am migrating from debian. I just > wanted to share my experience. None of this is meant as a question > just some ranting. > The install went pretty smooth. It glitched on the X setup but I reset > the system and did a /stand/sysinstall and finished it OK. > The KDE seemed to install with the minimum items. No cool transparent > effects, no neat sysadmin tools. Just a gui and nothing else. I was a > bit disapointed but no biggie I don't use X all that much anyway. Welcome to the real world of Unix. :) Everything is installed with the bare minimum to be useful. It's up to you to make it look pretty. :) IMO, that's the way it should be. I mean, look at what happens when you spend all your time on making things look pretty: Windows XP. :) [snip cvsd section -- never heard of it, although cvs comes with the OS - - why do you need another one??] > That's as far as I got. It's been pretty frustrating I'd say > especially compared to debian. I really miss apt-cache search. There > ought to be a way to search the ports collection for what you want. > Apt can search through the descriptions of all available packages and > this is of immense help when you are not sure what you want. If you do > apt-cache search pop3 you will not only get a list of all pop servers > but also web interfaces, clients, enhancements etc. I will really miss > that a lot. man ports. You'll note a section on searching: cd /usr/ports, then "make search key=" or "make search name=". Doesn't get much better than that. :) Key searches will search the port name, plus all fields of the port description. Name search will search the port names. For those who use packages, there's a very handy search page for ports/packages on the FreeBSD website. > Also I find the file hierarchy very frustrating. Debian seemed logical > to me. Things like databases, ldap files etc all went into the /var > hierarchy which I always thought was reserved for "variable" meaning > data that changes a lot. Freebsd wants to put them in > /usr/local/someplace Where I used to back up /var and /etc I need to > back up all kinds of places I guess. man hier. FreeBSD has, IMO, the best file layout there is. / is used for essential operating system stuff. /usr is used for including programs that make the OS useful. /usr/local is for programs that the local users/admins install to make the OS more useful in their situation. Each of those three tree include an etc tree for config files, a var tree for logs and such, a lib and libexec tree for shared libraries and such, a bin tree for user executables, an sbin tree for system executables, and so on. Sure beats the "standard" Linux way of leaving it up to the programmer where things get put. :) IMO, anyway. > /usr/libexec is not in the path (why not is this some security > thing?). libexec directories are for executables that are called/loaded/run internally by other programs. Users should never be running programs directly from a libexec directory. Again, refer to man hier. > I think /usr/local/etc/rc.d is a bit silly. What is wrong with > /etc/init.d at least it's less typing. I also don't like the fact that > some config files are in /etc some are in /usr/local/etc. I used to > import the /etc directory into cvs now I need to do it for two > directories. System startup scripts are handled by the rc system. These files are part of the OS and are thus stored in /etc. Startup scripts for user installed programs should be kept in the /usr/local/ tree, hence why they are in the etc/rc.d/ directory off the /usr/local/ tree. Again, please refer to man hier. > Also there seems to be some inconsistency with the way ports install. > PHP wants to put the ini file in /etc (or was it /usr/local/etc) and > Apache wants to put it in /usr/local/apache. In debian it was so nice > every package had it's own directory in /etc you always knew where to > look for config files instead of constantly searching for them. There is no /usr/local/apache/ directory. Apache follows hier(7). Conf files for Apache are stored in /usr/local/etc/apache/ The PHP port also follow hier(7) and installs the php.ini file into /usr/local/etc/ Again, please refer to man hier(7). In case you were wondering, the default login message mentions this man page. > You know it's awfully convenient to type grep -r "something" /etc/* > I find it annoying that the ports try to compile everything. I have > two machines and one of them is pretty old it takes forever to install > anything. If I try to pkg_add I need to know exactly where the package > is. I tried doing pkg_add ftp://yada.yada/somepath/cvsup.x.x.tgz and > it did not ask me questions or say anything I wonder if it went OK. In > debian if you know the name of the package you can install it. If you > want to install postfix just type apt-get install postfix. That will > not only install postfix but will also uninstall sendmail. It knows > which packages are equivalents of each other. That is pretty cool I > wonder if ports know that too. man pkg_add. Note the "-r" switch. Pay particular attention to this switch, it comes in handy. All you need for most packages is the following: pkg_add -r For instance: "pkg_add -r cvsup- without-gui" is a very quick and easy way to install the very useful cvsup program. > Where is the equivalent of apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? How do I > keep my system up to date and hack free. cd /usr/ports; make search name=portupgrade OR: pkg_add -r portupgrade This has been considered for inclusion in the FAQ, which I assume you've already read. :) > getting ls colors on putty was a bitch. The easiest way is to install the gnuls port, then alias your ls command to "gnuls --color=auto". Works great in both the bash and tcsh shells. That's one of the first things I install on my FreeBSD machiens. > I am sure there is a method to this madness. I am sure I will have to > get used to the freebsd way of doing things. I just wanted to get that > off my chest. Take it as a rant or constructive criticism The first thing you will need to change, coming from Linux, is the aversion to man pages. In the BSD world, man pages are your friend. The three free BSD groups have written some of the best documentation I have ever read. Plus, it's so much handier than firing up a browser and trying to navigate the linuxdoc website. :) > On a positive note the default install was very secure (except I > immediately killed sendmail of course). Welcome to the wonderful world of FreeBSD. I hope you enjoy reading, because there's so much info to take in. :) But, it is definitely all worth it. I started out with FreeBSD full-time just two years ago, and haven't used a Windows or Linux box at work since. One of these days, I might get around to moving my poor little laptop over, but I've finally got it working the way I want it, and don't see much incentive to change it. At work, though, having that rock-solid desktop is just so much fun to work with. :) Cheers, Freddie PhoenixTek Consulting fcash@bigfoot.com Unix / Networking Services (250) 314-4029 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 13 23:15: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3FF37B402 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA98230; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:12:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:12:18 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I can't get my X problem solved In-Reply-To: <000801c1b429$73776d70$7ee13ad0@ljgms2k> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, leegold wrote: > Hi, > > I have posted to the questions group but no one > has offered to help me sove my X problem. > > Should I repost to the questions group? > What should I do? Would anyone agree > to personally help me? > > Xwrappers is installed but I can still > not startx as a user. > > Thanks > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message I replied to the questions list but of course the mail to you was undeliverable. Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 14 7:33:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D462B37B417 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 07:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-171.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.171]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA22014; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:31:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020214093134.00e34990@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:31:34 -0600 To: Tim Uckun , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: First impressions of freebsd 4.5 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020213225337.00a4b150@mail.diligence.com> References: <20020213155828.0c3d87d2.chip@wiegand.org> <20020213145939.GG19456@roman.mobil.cz> <20020213063120.2809c007.chip@wiegand.org> <20020213145939.GG19456@roman.mobil.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org IMHO I cannot see that this is constructive especially since you should first have spent some time looking for the features you simply haven't yet found... before simply "ranting". ...again, IMHO. At 11:23 PM 2.13.2002 -0800, Tim Uckun wrote: >Hello all. > >I just installed freebsd 4.5. I am migrating from debian. I just wanted to >share my experience. None of this is meant as a question just some ranting. > >The install went pretty smooth. It glitched on the X setup but I reset the >system and did a /stand/sysinstall and finished it OK. > >The KDE seemed to install with the minimum items. No cool transparent >effects, no neat sysadmin tools. Just a gui and nothing else. I was a bit >disapointed but no biggie I don't use X all that much anyway. > >I tried to install cvsd but it failed. Somehow some dependency is screwed >up. The start script it installed calls start-stop-daemon but no such file >exists. I could not find it in the ports anywhere. Now I guess I have to >track it down someplace. The apache port and the php port did not go so >smoothly either. The php make install did not modify the httpd.conf. > >That's as far as I got. It's been pretty frustrating I'd say especially >compared to debian. I really miss apt-cache search. There ought to be a way >to search the ports collection for what you want. Apt can search through >the descriptions of all available packages and this is of immense help when >you are not sure what you want. If you do apt-cache search pop3 you will >not only get a list of all pop servers but also web interfaces, clients, >enhancements etc. I will really miss that a lot. > >Also I find the file hierarchy very frustrating. Debian seemed logical to >me. Things like databases, ldap files etc all went into the /var hierarchy >which I always thought was reserved for "variable" meaning data that >changes a lot. Freebsd wants to put them in /usr/local/someplace Where I >used to back up /var and /etc I need to back up all kinds of places I guess. > >/usr/libexec is not in the path (why not is this some security thing?). > >I think /usr/local/etc/rc.d is a bit silly. What is wrong with /etc/init.d >at least it's less typing. I also don't like the fact that some config >files are in /etc some are in /usr/local/etc. I used to import the /etc >directory into cvs now I need to do it for two directories. > >Also there seems to be some inconsistency with the way ports install. PHP >wants to put the ini file in /etc (or was it /usr/local/etc) and Apache >wants to put it in /usr/local/apache. In debian it was so nice every >package had it's own directory in /etc you always knew where to look for >config files instead of constantly searching for them. > >You know it's awfully convenient to type grep -r "something" /etc/* > >I find it annoying that the ports try to compile everything. I have two >machines and one of them is pretty old it takes forever to install >anything. If I try to pkg_add I need to know exactly where the package is. >I tried doing pkg_add ftp://yada.yada/somepath/cvsup.x.x.tgz and it did not >ask me questions or say anything I wonder if it went OK. In debian if you >know the name of the package you can install it. If you want to install >postfix just type apt-get install postfix. That will not only install >postfix but will also uninstall sendmail. It knows which packages are >equivalents of each other. That is pretty cool I wonder if ports know that too. > >Where is the equivalent of apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? How do I keep >my system up to date and hack free. > >getting ls colors on putty was a bitch. > >I am sure there is a method to this madness. I am sure I will have to get >used to the freebsd way of doing things. I just wanted to get that off my >chest. Take it as a rant or constructive criticism > >On a positive note the default install was very secure (except I >immediately killed sendmail of course). >---------------------------------------------- > Tim Uckun > Mobile Intelligence Unit. >---------------------------------------------- > "There are some who call me TIM?" >---------------------------------------------- > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin =================================================== Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com "My center is giving way, my right is in retreat; ....situation excellent! ....I shall attack!" =================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 14 8:11:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mango-bay.com (mail.mango-bay.com [208.206.15.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE1037B402; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from barbish ([63.70.155.114]) by mail.mango-bay.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52377U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:15:48 -0500 From: "Joe & Fhe Barbish" To: "FBSD" Cc: "Fn" , "FI" Subject: IPFW statefull rules how-to Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:11:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For the archives. For all of you who have questions about coding stateful rules in IPFW. I have read many posts asking questions about IPFW Stateful Filtering and never really saw any replies that were useful. While searching the net today I came across this and saw how good it was, I decided to post it for the archives. Do you want to know the difference between add 1000 allow tcp from any to any established add 2000 allow tcp from any to any 22 in setup and add 1000 check-state add 2000 allow tcp from any to any 22 in setup keep-state For a complete and detailed explanation read the Introduction to Stateless and Stateful Filtering section at this link. http://www.darthik.com/freebsd-docs/Ipfw-HOWTO.txt I To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 14 10: 9:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from diligence.com (diligence.com [216.166.138.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 181CA37B430 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:09:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13584 invoked by uid 535); 14 Feb 2002 11:09:09 -0700 Received: from tim@diligence.com by pdc.diligence.com with qmail-scanner-0.94 (. Clean. Processed in 0.066027 secs); 02/14/2002 11:09:09 Received: from unknown (HELO ddi-kl3f5lagj0p.diligence.com) (192.168.0.54) by pdc.diligence.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 11:09:09 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020214110048.017cfbf0@mail.diligence.com> X-Sender: tuckun@mail.diligence.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:10:41 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tim Uckun Subject: Re: First impressions of freebsd 4.5 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020214093134.00e34990@mail.sage-american.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20020213225337.00a4b150@mail.diligence.com> <20020213155828.0c3d87d2.chip@wiegand.org> <20020213145939.GG19456@roman.mobil.cz> <20020213063120.2809c007.chip@wiegand.org> <20020213145939.GG19456@roman.mobil.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:31 AM 2/14/2002 -0600, jacks@sage-american.com wrote: >IMHO I cannot see that this is constructive especially since you should >first have spent some time looking for the features you simply haven't yet >found... before simply "ranting". Fair enough. Like I said it's a rant too. I guess I was thinking I would have less problems then I thought seeing as I have quite a bit of experience with debian which is considered one of the more "difficult" linux distros (I disagree with that assessment BTW). Besides I thought this list was for sharing your frustrations and joys. Trust me when the epiphany strikes you'll hear it too. :wq Tim Uckun US Investigations Services/Due Diligence http://www.diligence.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 14 10:35:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C59137B405 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-171.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.171]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA24271; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:35:24 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020214123518.00e34990@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:35:18 -0600 To: Tim Uckun , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: First impressions of freebsd 4.5 In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020214110048.017cfbf0@mail.diligence.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20020214093134.00e34990@mail.sage-american.com> <4.2.0.58.20020213225337.00a4b150@mail.diligence.com> <20020213155828.0c3d87d2.chip@wiegand.org> <20020213145939.GG19456@roman.mobil.cz> <20020213063120.2809c007.chip@wiegand.org> <20020213145939.GG19456@roman.mobil.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim: Don't take my observation wrong, except that the things you were saying on a "newbie" list could be misleading if some others believed the features truly did not exist as you say. They do exist, but have different command names/syntax. Also, you merely encountered some installation problems that could have been for many reasons, none of which were necessarily the fault of the OS and its ports.... I know the things you mentioned can in fact install quite smoothly but care must be taken.... or be absent of other factors such as hardware conflicts ... or from "operator error".... Give it 30 days and then post another message about the experience which I'll bet will be different.... At 11:10 AM 2.14.2002 -0700, Tim Uckun wrote: >At 09:31 AM 2/14/2002 -0600, jacks@sage-american.com wrote: >>IMHO I cannot see that this is constructive especially since you should >>first have spent some time looking for the features you simply haven't yet >>found... before simply "ranting". > >Fair enough. Like I said it's a rant too. > >I guess I was thinking I would have less problems then I thought seeing as >I have quite a bit of experience with debian which is considered one of the >more "difficult" linux distros (I disagree with that assessment BTW). > >Besides I thought this list was for sharing your frustrations and joys. >Trust me when the epiphany strikes you'll hear it too. > > > > > >:wq >Tim Uckun >US Investigations Services/Due Diligence > http://www.diligence.com/ > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin =================================================== Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com "My center is giving way, my right is in retreat; ....situation excellent! ....I shall attack!" =================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 14 10:41:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from diligence.com (diligence.com [216.166.138.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E2BD337B41E for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:41:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15335 invoked by uid 535); 14 Feb 2002 11:41:46 -0700 Received: from tim@diligence.com by pdc.diligence.com with qmail-scanner-0.94 (. Clean. Processed in 0.058 secs); 02/14/2002 11:41:46 Received: from unknown (HELO ddi-kl3f5lagj0p.diligence.com) (192.168.0.54) by pdc.diligence.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 11:41:46 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020214114101.017d05e8@mail.diligence.com> X-Sender: tuckun@mail.diligence.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:43:18 -0700 To: newbies@freebsd.org From: Tim Uckun Subject: Re: First impressions of freebsd 4.5 In-Reply-To: <3C6AE593.32696.B13E595@localhost> References: <4.2.0.58.20020213225337.00a4b150@mail.diligence.com> <20020213155828.0c3d87d2.chip@wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >There is no /usr/local/apache/ directory. Apache follows hier(7). Conf >files for Apache are stored in /usr/local/etc/apache/ The PHP port also >follow hier(7) and installs the php.ini file into /usr/local/etc/ >Again, please refer to man hier(7). In case you were wondering, the >default login message mentions this man page. I guess I misstated that. What puzzled me was that apache put it's conf file in /usr/local/etc/apache while php put it's ini file in /usr/local/etc and not /usr/local/etc/php :wq Tim Uckun US Investigations Services/Due Diligence http://www.diligence.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 14 11:19:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387B637B402 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mvaexch00.acuson.com ([157.226.230.212]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA41B8; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:18:59 -0800 Received: by mvaexch00.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <17265H95>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:13:51 -0800 Received: from there (dhcp-46-150.acuson.com [157.226.46.150]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CJVDHH60; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:09:14 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Tim Uckun , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Acuson Subject: Re: First impressions of freebsd 4.5 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:18:55 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20020213145939.GG19456@roman.mobil.cz> <4.2.0.58.20020213225337.00a4b150@mail.diligence.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020213225337.00a4b150@mail.diligence.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020214191906.387B637B402@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday 13 February 2002 11:23 pm, Tim Uckun wrote: > Hello all. > > I just installed freebsd 4.5. I am migrating from debian. I just wanted to > share my experience. None of this is meant as a question just some ranting. First off, on several mailing lists, including the Debian lists, this would be classified "troll" and you would receive the obligatory "go away" notes. But we're a little more open here. So I won't even mention my horrible experiences with Debian. I think the heart of your problem is that FreeBSD is not Debian. Your rants all seem to say "that's not how Debian does it." No it's not. Get used to it. Different does not mean worse. It just means different. FreeBSD and Debian have two philosophies of how to organize, maintain and operate a Unix-like system. Neither is better or worse than the other. Some tiny parts of one may be worse, but overall they're just different ways of doing things. Get used to it. You're computing knowledge will expand by leaps and bounds if you don't tie yourself to just one outlook. Here's a few examples of why FreeBSD does stuff differently from Debian: 1) Never modify anything the user may already have modified. This includes httpd.conf. Even on an upgrade from one release to the next you have to use mergemaster to finish up with. 2) Follow the File Hierarchy Standard. All packages get installed to /usr/local (or /usr/X11R6) including their configuration files. 3) Use the Source, Luke! Everything from the kernel on up can be built relatively easily from source code. cvsup is your friend. Even the prebuilt binary packages are really just prebuilt ports. Mix and match ports and packages or even stuff built by hand and nothing gets out of sync. 4) The user is always right. Even if he is wrong, he is right. If he wants both Sendmail and Postfix installed at the same time, it's his business. > The KDE seemed to install with the minimum items. No cool transparent > effects, no neat sysadmin tools. Just a gui and nothing else. I was a bit > disapointed but no biggie I don't use X all that much anyway. There was a packaging problem with KDE. Quite serious really. A major miscommunication caused everything but kdelibs and kdebase to be left off the ISO images. Oh well, no use crying over spilt milk. They are sill available through ports or as packages. (I hear there's still a problem with kdegraphics, but it may be fixed by the time you read this). David p.s. Read the man page for ports, pkg_add and check out the portupgrade port. cvsup+portupgrade may be all the apt-get you'll ever need, though "pkg_add -r" comes darned close. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 14 20:41:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from eudoramail.com (host-64-110-31-18.interpacket.net [64.110.31.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E95637B404 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:39:43 -0800 (PST) From: "MR MICHEAL ADAM" To: Subject: Partnership Proposal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 05:47:30 -0000 Reply-To: "MR MICHEAL ADAM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020215043943.6E95637B404@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ATTN: THE PRESIDENT/CEO Dear Sir / Madam, I am Dr. Mrs. Marian Abacha, wife to the late Nigerian Head of state, General Sani Abacha who died on the 8th of June 1998 while still on active service for our Country. I am contacting you with the hope that you will be of great assistance to me, I currently have within my reach the sum of 76MILLION U.S dollars cash which l intend to use for investment purposes outside Nigeria. This money came as a result of a payback contract deal between my husband and a Russian firm in our country's multi-billion dollar Ajaokuta steel plant. The Russian partners returned my husband's share being the above sum after his death. Presently, the new civilian Government has intensified their probe into my husband's financial resources, which has led to the freezing of all our accounts, local and foreign, the revoking of all our business licenses and the arrest of my First son. In view of this I acted very fast to withdraw this money from one of our finance houses before it was closed down. I have deposited the money in a security vault for safe keeping with the help of very loyal officials of my late husband. No record is known about this fund by the government because there is no documentation showing that we received such funds. Due to the current situation in the country and government attitude to my financial affairs, I cannot make use of this money within. Bearing in mind that you may assist me, 20% of the total amount will be paid to you for your assistance, while 5% will be set aside for expenses incurred by the parties involved and this will be paid before sharing. Half of my75% will be paid in to my account on your instruction once the money hits your account, while the other half will be invested by your humble self in any viable business venture you deem fit, with you as manager of the invested funds. Remunerations, during the investment period will be on a 50/50 basis. Your URGENT response is needed. All correspondence must be through my lawyer,fax:234-1-4709814. Attentioned to my attorney (HAMZA IBU). Please do not forget to include your direct tel/fax line for easy reach. I hope I can trust you with my family's last financial hope.Regards Dr. Mrs. Marian Sani Abacha. C/o HAMZA IBU (counsel) URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL MR. MICHEAL ADAM FAX: 234-1-7590900 Attn: The Chief Executive Officer REQUEST FOR URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP Please permit me to introduce myself to you, my names are Mr. MICHEAL ADAM a Petroleum Engineer with the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation and a member of the contract award committee of the above corporation, which is under, The Federal Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Resources. CONFIDENTIAL THE SOURCE OF THE FUND IS AS FOLLOWS: With the assistance of some senior officials of the Federal Ministry of Finance and Office of the Accountant General of the Federation, we want to quietly transfer the sum of Nineteen Million US Dollars only ($19m US Dollars only) out of my country Nigeria. This US$19 M US Dollar was quietly over-estimated on the contract for Turn around Maintenance (TAM) of Port Harcourt petrochemical refinery in Nigeria (SOUTHERN NIGERIA) and the Rehabilitation of Petroleum Pipelines, Depot and Jetties. The actual contract value of this said project was US$171M US Dollars, but my colleagues and I deliberately increased the contract to our own benefit to the tune of $190M US Dollars, of which the over-estimated value of US$19M US Dollars belongs to us and this amount is what we want to secretly transfer into your personal or company account for safe keeping and sharing. The Federal Government and the Federal Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Resources have approved the total sum of US$190 Million US Dollars. The project has been completed and commissioned by the Federal Government and the original contractors have been paid their Contractual sum and what is left now is the US$19Million US Dollars. Under this circumstance and upon your acceptance we will register You/your Company as a sub-contractor to the original contractors with my corporation, so that this fund can be transferred into your account without hitch whatsoever. Our reasons of soliciting your assistance to transfer this fund to your account is owing to the policy of the Federal Government of Nigeria, the code conduct debars us civil servants (Government Workers) from operating a foreign account, hence we seeking your assistance. After several deliberations with my colleagues, we decided to give you 25% as your entitlement for your assistance for providing your account, while 70% will be for us and the remaining 5% would be used to offset all local and foreign expenses that might be incurred during this transaction. However this is based on the ground that you would assure me of the following: 1 That after the successful transfer of the $19m us dollars into your account, you will give us our own fare share of 70% without running away with the money or setting on it to our detriment. 2 That you will treat this business with utmost secrecy, Confidentiality, understanding and sincerity, which this business demands. 3 You will assist us (by way of advice) to invest our own share in business venture in your country. 4 Upon your acceptance of this proposal I will send a TEXT for you to fill in your letter headed paper and return back to me, as we shall use this TEXT to raise an application for payment on your behalf as you will be made the recognized beneficiary of the fund. KINDLY FORWARD YOUR TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBER to me also. PLEASE NOTE: that this business is 100% risk free and will not implicate you in any way, sir. Finally please if you feel you cannot do this business with us, kindly delete this message from your computer or destroy it as it will do you no good showing it to a third party or anybody whatsoever, please kindly do us this favor for God sake. The kind of business you do does not effect the business. Sincerely yours, MR. MICHEAL ADAM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 14 22:37:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chivas.oneill.dhs.org (chivas.oneill.dhs.org [65.65.85.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E7037B402 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from v812r.seanoneill.info (dhcp1.NONROUTABLE [192.168.2.1]) by chivas.oneill.dhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C196D760D for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:37:22 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020215003612.00a8d998@postoffice.swbell.net> X-Sender: swoneill@postoffice.swbell.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:37:21 -0600 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Sean O'Neill Subject: Subversion r909 working with Apache2 ?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone have subversion r909 working with Apache2 under 4.5R ? If so, I assume maybe you are running it as a static library ? If so, what did you do to make it work ? - ........................................................ ......... ..- -. .. -..- .-. ..- .-.. . ... ............ .-- .. -. -... .-.. --- .-- ... -.. .-. --- --- .-.. ... Sean O'Neill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 3:12:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA0C37B41B for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 03:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from cb03 ([195.121.208.93]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GRKN3X02.NGQ for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:11:57 +0100 Message-ID: <005e01c1b611$f1126b60$0300a8c0@cb03> From: "Nora Schram (Planet)" To: Subject: Re: First impressions of freebsd 4.5 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:14:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C1B61A.4F6664C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C1B61A.4F6664C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, This is my first posting in this group. I appreciate Tim's "ranting" as = there was so much valuable information in the reactions! I want to tell = (only once) how grateful I am for all the help offered in this group. Some weeks ago I put FreeBSD on an old PC and I was impressed with the = ease of installation. A typical Windows installation took more time. To = be honest, I just installed the base system and Samba, because we need = that in our business to get rid of our old Novell server. Now I'm = happily Samba-ing and Telnetting and I love it. Now my questions: 1. I have a lot of experience with DOS C application development (Raima = Data Manager and C-Scape windowing library). After experimenting with = Delphi and VBasic I definitely decided I do NOT want to program for = Windows. So, if anybody can just put me on the right track to a good = database system and a development system it would help me very much. 2. My test server just has 1Mb of disk and 32 Mb memory and P233, I = suppose this is not enough to set up X-windows comfortably. Any = suggestions? Upgrade the server, get another machine? nora.schram@planet.nl ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C1B61A.4F6664C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
 
This is my first posting in this group. = I=20 appreciate Tim's "ranting" as there was so much valuable information in = the=20 reactions! I want to tell (only once) how grateful I am for all the help = offered=20 in this group.
 
Some weeks ago I put FreeBSD on an old = PC and I was=20 impressed with the ease of installation. A typical Windows installation = took=20 more time. To be honest, I just installed the base system and Samba, = because we=20 need that in our business to get rid of our old Novell server. Now I'm = happily=20 Samba-ing and Telnetting and I love it.
 
Now my questions:
1. I have a lot of experience with DOS = C=20 application development (Raima Data Manager and C-Scape windowing = library).=20 After experimenting with Delphi and VBasic I definitely decided I do NOT = want to=20 program for Windows. So, if anybody can just put me on the right track = to a good=20 database system and a development system it would help me very=20 much.
 
2. My test server just has 1Mb of = disk and 32=20 Mb memory and P233, I suppose this is not enough to set up X-windows=20 comfortably. Any suggestions? Upgrade the server, get another=20 machine?
 
nora.schram@planet.nl
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C1B61A.4F6664C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 4:25:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.cz (diana.mobil.cz [195.39.16.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7597237B400 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 04:25:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ester.mobil.cz (ester.mobil.cz [194.213.62.23]) by mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1FCP4D12860 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:25:05 +0100 Received: from roman.mobil.cz ([10.2.0.89]) by ester.mobil.cz (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.7) with ESMTP id 2002021513214499:785 ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:21:44 +0100 Received: (from roman@localhost) by roman.mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1FCajm82508 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:36:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from neuhauser@mobil.cz) X-Authentication-Warning: roman.mobil.cz: roman set sender to neuhauser@mobil.cz using -f Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:36:45 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: First impressions of freebsd 4.5 Message-ID: <20020215123645.GJ75949@roman.mobil.cz> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <005e01c1b611$f1126b60$0300a8c0@cb03> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <005e01c1b611$f1126b60$0300a8c0@cb03> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/15/2002 01:21:45 PM, Serialize by Router on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/15/2002 01:21:51 PM, Serialize complete at 02/15/2002 01:21:51 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: "Nora Schram (Planet)" > To: > Subject: Re: First impressions of freebsd 4.5 > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:14:26 +0100 Hi there, please, break your lines at ~72 chars. > Some weeks ago I put FreeBSD on an old PC and I was impressed with the > ease of installation. :) That's always nice to hear. > Now my questions: > 1. I have a lot of experience with DOS C application development > (Raima Data Manager and C-Scape windowing library). After > experimenting with Delphi and VBasic I definitely decided I do NOT > want to program for Windows. So, if anybody can just put me on the > right track to a good database system and a development system it > would help me very much. Um. You mean you develop data-based applications? Well, then that depends on your requirements. For ease of installation, MySQL. For advanced stuff (triggers...), probably PostgreSQL. > 2. My test server just has 1Mb of disk and 32 Mb memory and P233, I > suppose this is not enough to set up X-windows comfortably. Any > suggestions? Upgrade the server, get another machine? I wouldn't use X on a file server. It's just unneeded cruft. Get another machine. I use FreeBSD-4.4, Xfree86-4.1.0 w/ Blackbox-0.61.1 on an old Celeron 300A / 256MB RAM, and it just rocks. True, I just use X to be able to have multiple terminals open... :) -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 1:30PM up 25 days, 19:53, 13 users, load averages: 0.03, 0.03, 0.09 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 5:30:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from grlu5117.cnet.navy.mil (grlu5117.cnet.navy.Mil [160.127.129.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C203937B41D for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from penx68322m1.cnet.navy.mil (pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil [160.125.210.190]) by grlu5117.cnet.navy.mil (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13781 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:30:01 -0600 (CST) Received: by pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1VA7BY9J>; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:36:13 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Burt, Randall -CONT(DYN)" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Partnership Proposal Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:36:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org WTF? -----Original Message----- From: MR MICHEAL ADAM [mailto:michadam68@eudoramail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:48 PM To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Partnership Proposal ATTN: THE PRESIDENT/CEO Dear Sir / Madam, I am Dr. Mrs. Marian Abacha, wife to the late Nigerian Head of state, General Sani Abacha who died on the 8th of June 1998 while still on active service for our Country. I am contacting you with the hope that you will be of great assistance to me, I currently have within my reach the sum of 76MILLION U.S dollars cash which l intend to use for investment purposes outside Nigeria. This money came as a result of a payback contract deal between my husband and a Russian firm in our country's multi-billion dollar Ajaokuta steel plant. The Russian partners returned my husband's share being the above sum after his death. Presently, the new civilian Government has intensified their probe into my husband's financial resources, which has led to the freezing of all our accounts, local and foreign, the revoking of all our business licenses and the arrest of my First son. In view of this I acted very fast to withdraw this money from one of our finance houses before it was closed down. I have deposited the money in a security vault for safe keeping with the help of very loyal officials of my late husband. No record is known about this fund by the government because there is no documentation showing that we received such funds. Due to the current situation in the country and government attitude to my financial affairs, I cannot make use of this money within. Bearing in mind that you may assist me, 20% of the total amount will be paid to you for your assistance, while 5% will be set aside for expenses incurred by the parties involved and this will be paid before sharing. Half of my75% will be paid in to my account on your instruction once the money hits your account, while the other half will be invested by your humble self in any viable business venture you deem fit, with you as manager of the invested funds. Remunerations, during the investment period will be on a 50/50 basis. Your URGENT response is needed. All correspondence must be through my lawyer,fax:234-1-4709814. Attentioned to my attorney (HAMZA IBU). Please do not forget to include your direct tel/fax line for easy reach. I hope I can trust you with my family's last financial hope.Regards Dr. Mrs. Marian Sani Abacha. C/o HAMZA IBU (counsel) URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL MR. MICHEAL ADAM FAX: 234-1-7590900 Attn: The Chief Executive Officer REQUEST FOR URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP Please permit me to introduce myself to you, my names are Mr. MICHEAL ADAM a Petroleum Engineer with the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation and a member of the contract award committee of the above corporation, which is under, The Federal Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Resources. CONFIDENTIAL THE SOURCE OF THE FUND IS AS FOLLOWS: With the assistance of some senior officials of the Federal Ministry of Finance and Office of the Accountant General of the Federation, we want to quietly transfer the sum of Nineteen Million US Dollars only ($19m US Dollars only) out of my country Nigeria. This US$19 M US Dollar was quietly over-estimated on the contract for Turn around Maintenance (TAM) of Port Harcourt petrochemical refinery in Nigeria (SOUTHERN NIGERIA) and the Rehabilitation of Petroleum Pipelines, Depot and Jetties. The actual contract value of this said project was US$171M US Dollars, but my colleagues and I deliberately increased the contract to our own benefit to the tune of $190M US Dollars, of which the over-estimated value of US$19M US Dollars belongs to us and this amount is what we want to secretly transfer into your personal or company account for safe keeping and sharing. The Federal Government and the Federal Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Resources have approved the total sum of US$190 Million US Dollars. The project has been completed and commissioned by the Federal Government and the original contractors have been paid their Contractual sum and what is left now is the US$19Million US Dollars. Under this circumstance and upon your acceptance we will register You/your Company as a sub-contractor to the original contractors with my corporation, so that this fund can be transferred into your account without hitch whatsoever. Our reasons of soliciting your assistance to transfer this fund to your account is owing to the policy of the Federal Government of Nigeria, the code conduct debars us civil servants (Government Workers) from operating a foreign account, hence we seeking your assistance. After several deliberations with my colleagues, we decided to give you 25% as your entitlement for your assistance for providing your account, while 70% will be for us and the remaining 5% would be used to offset all local and foreign expenses that might be incurred during this transaction. However this is based on the ground that you would assure me of the following: 1 That after the successful transfer of the $19m us dollars into your account, you will give us our own fare share of 70% without running away with the money or setting on it to our detriment. 2 That you will treat this business with utmost secrecy, Confidentiality, understanding and sincerity, which this business demands. 3 You will assist us (by way of advice) to invest our own share in business venture in your country. 4 Upon your acceptance of this proposal I will send a TEXT for you to fill in your letter headed paper and return back to me, as we shall use this TEXT to raise an application for payment on your behalf as you will be made the recognized beneficiary of the fund. KINDLY FORWARD YOUR TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBER to me also. PLEASE NOTE: that this business is 100% risk free and will not implicate you in any way, sir. Finally please if you feel you cannot do this business with us, kindly delete this message from your computer or destroy it as it will do you no good showing it to a third party or anybody whatsoever, please kindly do us this favor for God sake. The kind of business you do does not effect the business. Sincerely yours, MR. MICHEAL ADAM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 6: 3:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pc1-dale5-0-cust136.not.cable.ntl.com (pc1-dale5-0-cust136.not.cable.ntl.com [80.1.76.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB2AA37B416 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:03:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14779 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 14:03:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO matt.thebigchoice.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 14:03:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:03:02 +0000 From: Matt H To: "Nora Schram (Planet)" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: First impressions of freebsd 4.5 Message-Id: <20020215140302.4ed1d9f6.matt@proweb.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <005e01c1b611$f1126b60$0300a8c0@cb03> References: <005e01c1b611$f1126b60$0300a8c0@cb03> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:14:26 +0100 "Nora Schram (Planet)" wrote: > Hello all, hello > Now my questions: > 1. I have a lot of experience with DOS C application development (Raima > Data Manager and C-Scape windowing library). After experimenting with > Delphi and VBasic I definitely decided I do NOT want to program for > Windows. So, if anybody can just put me on the right track to a good > database system and a development system it would help me very much. > python would make a good platform for your developments it even has an "in memory" sql server module, Gadfly, by using that you won't have to install & maintain a seperate SQL server for most data though, an sql server is a sledgehammer, you could most probably get away with formatted plain text files and the directory tree. I'm in thr process of moving my MySQL driven website to text files in directories and my codebase is actually shrinking! matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 6:35:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from grlu5117.cnet.navy.mil (grlu5117.cnet.navy.Mil [160.127.129.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4207237B419 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:35:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from penx68322m1.cnet.navy.mil (pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil [160.125.210.190]) by grlu5117.cnet.navy.mil (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20824 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:35:03 -0600 (CST) Received: by pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1VA7BZC6>; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:41:15 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Burt, Randall -CONT(DYN)" To: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: Partnership Proposal Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:41:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A co-worker just showed me his new nokia phone. Pretty cool, and it got me to thinking. I have been reading recently about BSD/Linux popularity in the embedded systems market and was wondering how prevalent are these os's in embedded systems and what companies are using *BSD specifically in their devices. Anyone have any information or know where to get it? Also, would purchasing any of these devices "support the cause", or are these companies taking advantage of the more permissive BSD license to leach off of OSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 6:41: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from grlu5117.cnet.navy.mil (grlu5117.cnet.navy.Mil [160.127.129.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9BA37B400 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:41:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from penx68322m1.cnet.navy.mil (pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil [160.125.210.190]) by grlu5117.cnet.navy.mil (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21549 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:40:59 -0600 (CST) Received: by pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1VA7BZDX>; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:47:10 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Burt, Randall -CONT(DYN)" To: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: OOPS! Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:47:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry about the misleading subject just then, I had that post open and just replied planning to change the subject. Keep the flames to a minimum, as the building I work in is old and made of wood (like witches). I'll pay more attention in the future. Besides, suites and code monkeys saddled with MS all day aren't used to thinking about what they are doing all the time! ;) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 8:43:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web21103.mail.yahoo.com (web21103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E46937B400 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:43:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020215164331.37980.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.15.63.69] by web21103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:43:31 PST Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:43:31 -0800 (PST) From: Vinod Namboodiri Subject: x freezing To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi there.i just installed freebsd 4.4 yesterday.seems everything was ok.but when i installed x and went in with startx it kinda freezed after a couple of commands.so whats the next step?install x again?i had not chosen any cards from the long list of description when i installed x.could that be a reason this happened?as i i didnt even know my video ram memory.just used what i thought.admit not a nice way:-) Vinod __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 8:49:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from diligence.com (diligence.com [216.166.138.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 71CE537B402 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 419 invoked by uid 535); 15 Feb 2002 09:49:20 -0700 Received: from tim@diligence.com by pdc.diligence.com with qmail-scanner-0.94 (. Clean. Processed in 0.260314 secs); 02/15/2002 09:49:20 Received: from unknown (HELO ddi-kl3f5lagj0p.diligence.com) (192.168.0.54) by pdc.diligence.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 09:49:19 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020215094018.017d37a8@mail.diligence.com> X-Sender: tuckun@mail.diligence.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:50:58 -0700 To: From: Tim Uckun Subject: Databases (was First impressions of freebsd 4.5) In-Reply-To: <005e01c1b611$f1126b60$0300a8c0@cb03> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Now my questions: >1. I have a lot of experience with DOS C application development (Raima >Data Manager and C-Scape windowing library). After experimenting with >Delphi and VBasic I definitely decided I do NOT want to program for >Windows. So, if anybody can just put me on the right track to a good >database system and a development system it would help me very much. What are kind of applications are you programming? DO they have GUI components, are they web based, are they client server? There are numerous open source and free databases on the market today with verying degrees of features. Somebody mentioned the big two (mysql and postgresql) of the two I prefer postgresql. I would also like to mention interbase and SAPdb. Both of these are well proven in the commercial marketplace, have amazing documentation, full support for advanced features like triggers, referential integrity, stored procedures etc. They both run eaqually well on windows and *nix have great ODBC drivers if you want to run windows clients. People often overlook them and it's a shame. For the programming language you can use anything from Java to Perl. For the GUI side you can go web based with php, zope, or AOLserver or you can do heavier clients in VB, Delphi/kylix, java etc. All of the above databases come with jdbc and odbc drivers and interbase has native components for delphi/kylix. I must say the combination of delphi/kylix and interbase is pretty awsome. Very productive environment, native components and a robust database make for a killer combo. Very soon now borland will release their version of C++ builder for *nix. That will be nice too if C++ is your language of choice. :wq Tim Uckun US Investigations Services/Due Diligence http://www.diligence.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 10:11:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.takas.lt (mail-src.takas.lt [212.59.31.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B82337B404 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from there ([212.59.27.16]) by mail.takas.lt with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:11:17 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Pranas Banys Organization: prabas To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Macromedia Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:09:17 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2002 18:11:17.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[29B4F7A0:01C1B64C] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everyone, When browsing web with the Konquerer some Macromedia Shockwave player solicites to be downloaded.Is there any such a port , and if not,how can I prevent those windows reapearing? Thanks. Francisco B. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 11:13:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from 1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE30637B400 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5A13418F7; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CEEA18F6; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:12:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:12:18 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hamell To: "Burt, Randall -CONT(DYN)" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Partnership Proposal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a scam that's going aroud right now. The Secret Service is currently looking into it. You can find all kinds of information about these scams on the internet. :) Rick ******************************************************************* New home page: http://1nova.com Ace Logan's Hardware Guide @ http://www.markeedragon.com FreeBSD - The power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Burt, Randall -CONT(DYN) wrote: > WTF? > > -----Original Message----- > From: MR MICHEAL ADAM [mailto:michadam68@eudoramail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:48 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Partnership Proposal > > > > ATTN: THE PRESIDENT/CEO > Dear Sir / Madam, > I am Dr. Mrs. Marian Abacha, wife to the late Nigerian Head of > state, > General Sani Abacha who died on the 8th of June 1998 while > still on active > service for our Country. > I am contacting you with the hope that you will be of great > assistance to > me, I currently have within my reach the sum of 76MILLION U.S > dollars cash > which l intend to use for investment purposes outside Nigeria. > This money > came as a result of a payback contract deal between my husband > and a Russian > firm in our country's multi-billion dollar Ajaokuta steel > plant. The Russian > partners returned my husband's share being the above sum after > his death. > Presently, the new civilian Government has intensified their > probe into my > husband's financial resources, which has led to the freezing of > all our > accounts, local and foreign, the revoking of all our business > licenses and > the arrest of my First son. In view of this I acted very fast > to withdraw > this money from one of our finance houses before it was closed > down. I have > deposited the money in a security vault for safe keeping with > the help of > very loyal officials of my late husband. No record is known > about this fund > by the government because there is no documentation showing > that we received > such funds. Due to the current situation in the country and > government > attitude to my financial affairs, I cannot make use of this > money within. > Bearing in mind that you may assist me, 20% of the total amount > will be paid > to you for your assistance, while 5% will be set aside for > expenses incurred > by the parties involved and this will be paid before sharing. > Half of my75% > will be paid in to my account on your instruction once the > money hits your > account, while the other half will be invested by your humble > self in any > viable business venture you deem fit, with you as manager of > the invested > funds. Remunerations, during the investment period will be on a > 50/50 basis. > Your URGENT response is needed. All correspondence must be > through my lawyer,fax:234-1-4709814. Attentioned to my attorney > (HAMZA IBU). Please do not > forget to include your direct tel/fax line for easy reach. > I hope I can trust you with my family's last financial > hope.Regards > Dr. Mrs. Marian Sani Abacha. > C/o HAMZA IBU (counsel) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL > > > > > > MR. MICHEAL ADAM > > > FAX: 234-1-7590900 > > > Attn: The Chief Executive Officer > > REQUEST FOR URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP > > Please permit me to introduce myself to you, my names are Mr. MICHEAL ADAM > a Petroleum Engineer > > with the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation and a member of the > contract award committee of > > the above corporation, which is under, The Federal Ministry of Petroleum > and Natural Resources. > > CONFIDENTIAL THE SOURCE OF THE FUND IS AS FOLLOWS: > > With the assistance of some senior officials of the Federal Ministry of > Finance and Office of the > > Accountant General of the Federation, we want to quietly transfer the sum > of Nineteen Million US > > Dollars only ($19m US Dollars only) out of my country Nigeria. This US$19 > M US Dollar was quietly > > over-estimated on the contract for Turn around Maintenance (TAM) of Port > Harcourt petrochemical > > refinery in Nigeria (SOUTHERN NIGERIA) and the Rehabilitation of Petroleum > Pipelines, Depot and > > Jetties. The actual contract value of this said project was US$171M US > Dollars, but my colleagues > > and I deliberately increased the contract to our own benefit to the tune > of $190M US Dollars, of > > which the over-estimated value of US$19M US Dollars belongs to us and this > amount is what we want > > to secretly transfer into your personal or company account for safe > keeping and sharing. > > The Federal Government and the Federal Ministry of Petroleum and Natural > Resources have approved > > the total sum of US$190 Million US Dollars. The project has been completed > and commissioned by > > the Federal Government and the original contractors have been paid their > Contractual sum and what > > is left now is the US$19Million US Dollars. Under this circumstance and > upon your acceptance we > > will register You/your Company as a sub-contractor to the original > contractors with my > > corporation, so that this fund can be transferred into your account > without hitch whatsoever. > > Our reasons of soliciting your assistance to transfer this fund to your > account is owing to the > > policy of the Federal Government of Nigeria, the code conduct debars us > civil servants > > (Government Workers) from operating a foreign account, hence we seeking > your assistance. After > > several deliberations with my colleagues, we decided to give you 25% as > your entitlement for your > > assistance for providing your account, while 70% will be for us and the > remaining 5% would be > > used to offset all local and foreign expenses that might be incurred > during this transaction. > > However this is based on the ground that you would assure me of the > following: > > 1 That after the successful transfer of the $19m us dollars into your > account, you will give us > > our own fare share of 70% without running away with the money or setting > on it to our detriment. > > 2 That you will treat this business with utmost secrecy, Confidentiality, > understanding and > > sincerity, which this business demands. > > 3 You will assist us (by way of advice) to invest our own share in > business venture in your > > country. > > 4 Upon your acceptance of this proposal I will send a TEXT for you to fill > in your letter headed > > paper and return back to me, as we shall use this TEXT to raise an > application for payment on > > your behalf as you will be made the recognized beneficiary of the fund. > > KINDLY FORWARD YOUR TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBER to me also. > PLEASE NOTE: that this business is 100% risk free and will not implicate > you in any way, sir. > > Finally please if you feel you cannot do this business with us, kindly > delete this message from > > your computer or destroy it as it will do you no good showing it to a > third party or anybody > > whatsoever, please kindly do us this favor for God sake. The kind of > business you do does not > > effect the business. > > Sincerely yours, > MR. MICHEAL ADAM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 15: 9:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FB3437B431 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp-225-75-87.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com (HELO jmdoliv) (80.225.75.87) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 23:09:33 -0000 From: jmdupx@yahoo.com To: Vinod Namboodiri Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:08:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: x freezing Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3C6D94F9.16230.744E188@localhost> In-reply-to: <20020215164331.37980.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org didnt u run XF86config first to set up the X-server, monitor etc .. ? On 15 Feb 2002, at 8:43, Vinod Namboodiri wrote: > hi there.i just installed freebsd 4.4 yesterday.seems > everything was ok.but when i installed x and went in > with startx it kinda freezed after a couple of > commands.so whats the next step?install x again?i had > not chosen any cards from the long list of description > when i installed x.could that be a reason this > happened?as i i didnt even know my video ram > memory.just used what i thought.admit not a nice > way:-) > Vinod > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail > http://mail.yahoo.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 18:21:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web21108.mail.yahoo.com (web21108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C01037B404 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:21:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020216022106.30960.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.166.137.97] by web21108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:21:06 PST Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:21:06 -0800 (PST) From: Vinod Namboodiri Subject: Re: x freezing To: jmdupx@yahoo.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3C6D94F9.16230.744E188@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yes i sure did --- jmdupx@yahoo.com wrote: > didnt u run XF86config first to set up the > X-server, monitor etc .. ? > > > > On 15 Feb 2002, at 8:43, Vinod Namboodiri wrote: > > > hi there.i just installed freebsd 4.4 > yesterday.seems > > everything was ok.but when i installed x and went > in > > with startx it kinda freezed after a couple of > > commands.so whats the next step?install x again?i > had > > not chosen any cards from the long list of > description > > when i installed x.could that be a reason this > > happened?as i i didnt even know my video ram > > memory.just used what i thought.admit not a nice > > way:-) > > Vinod > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! > Video Mail > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 18:36:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe32.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D656D37B404 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:36:45 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [4.41.159.196] From: "Shawn Halloran" To: "freebsd-newbie" Subject: Two questions Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:42:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1B650.8030B840" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2002 02:36:45.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[C69FB3C0:01C1B692] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1B650.8030B840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please explaine the following system messages: 1) =20 usb0: scheduling overrun 2) =20 This system is running on a different virtual terminal. 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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1B650.8030B840-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 18:57:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BEED37B400 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:57:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp-225-43-224.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com (HELO jmdoliv) (80.225.43.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 02:57:39 -0000 From: jmdupx@yahoo.com To: Vinod Namboodiri Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 02:56:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: x freezing Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3C6DCA63.3170.8158D60@localhost> In-reply-to: <20020216022106.30960.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3C6D94F9.16230.744E188@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org installing X and setting up the X-server is not the same thing - it sounds to me like u need to go through the XF86xonfig (x-server setup) again, and make sure you're putting in the right info but u might have deeper hardware issues - video cards can mess up in 100's if not 1000's of different ways On 15 Feb 2002, at 18:21, Vinod Namboodiri wrote: > yes i sure did > --- jmdupx@yahoo.com wrote: > > didnt u run XF86config first to set up the > > X-server, monitor etc .. ? > > > > > > > > On 15 Feb 2002, at 8:43, Vinod Namboodiri wrote: > > > > > hi there.i just installed freebsd 4.4 > > yesterday.seems > > > everything was ok.but when i installed x and went > > in > > > with startx it kinda freezed after a couple of > > > commands.so whats the next step?install x again?i > > had > > > not chosen any cards from the long list of > > description > > > when i installed x.could that be a reason this > > > happened?as i i didnt even know my video ram > > > memory.just used what i thought.admit not a nice > > > way:-) > > > Vinod > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! > > Video Mail > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > > the message > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > > the message > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 19:10:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8E037B41D for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1G3A1i15151 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200202160310.g1G3A1i15151@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 15 22:47:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe23.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0DE37B400; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:47:15 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [4.41.159.196] From: "Shawn Halloran" To: "Giorgos Keramidas" , "freebsd-newbie" Subject: Re: Two questions Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:52:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1B673.7F466A60" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2002 06:47:15.0340 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4FDFCC0:01C1B6B5] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1B673.7F466A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nothing went wrong, as far as I can tell. I was working with "sysinstall"= =20 (I finally figured out how to get to root) and reading the FreeBSD Hand B= ook to get X working. I tested the Scroll Lock function and saw these messages. =20 I don't know what happened, but I became concerned that my USB card =20 is not operating properly. =20 I'm new, but I'm learning. I just thought somebody might know what these messages mean. I'll keep reading. Shawn =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Giorgos Keramidas Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 9:52 PM To: Shawn Halloran Subject: Re: Two questions Shawn Halloran wrote: > Please explaine the following system messages: > > 1) > usb0: scheduling overrun > > 2) > This system is running on a different virtual terminal. > Please switch to correct virtual terminal. > > I'm not sure what these messages mean. > Your help is greatly appreciated. When you ask questions like these, it's always useful to know the followi= ng things: a) What were you trying to do? b) What commands did you run to accomplish it? c) All the error messages that you saw when it failed. This way, knowledgeable people will be able to help you more efficiently, since they will surely know what went wrong. Giorgos Keramidas FreeBSD Documentation Project keramida@{freebsd.org,ceid.upatras.gr} http://www.FreeBSD.org/docpro= j/Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.ms= n.com ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1B673.7F466A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nothing went w= rong, as far as I can tell. I was working with "sysinstall"
(I finally figured out how to get to root) and reading the F= reeBSD Hand Book
to get X working.
 
I tested the Scroll Lock function and saw these messag= es.
I don't know what happened, but I became concerned t= hat my USB card
is not operating properly.
 =
I'm new, but I'm learning. I just thought somebody might know= what these
messages mean. I'll keep reading.
 = ;
Shawn 
 
----- O= riginal Message -----
From: Giorgos Keramidas
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 9:52 PM
To: Shawn Halloran
Subject: Re: Two questions
 Shawn Halloran wrote:

> Please explaine the following system= messages:
>
> 1)
> usb0: scheduling overrun
>> 2)
> This system is running on a different virtual terminal.<= BR>> Please switch to correct virtual terminal.
>
> I'm no= t sure what these messages mean.
> Your help is greatly appreciated= .

When you ask questions like these, it's always useful to know th= e following
things:

  a) What were you trying to do?
  b) What commands did you run to accomplish it?

  c) = All the error messages that you saw when it failed.

This way, know= ledgeable people will be able to help you more efficiently,
since they= will surely know what went wrong.

Giorgos Keramidas  &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;            Fre= eBSD Documentation Project
keramida@{freebsd.org,ceid.upatras.gr} = ;     http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/


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------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1B673.7F466A60-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 16 8:33:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E340137B404 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from 208-58-226-33.s541.tnt1.clmb.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.226.33] helo=ljgms2k) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16c7mO-0007na-00; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:33:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c1b707$c6ddc000$21e23ad0@ljgms2k> From: "goldtech" To: Cc: Subject: nasty x (& email) problem Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:33:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If any one has tried to help me w/my X problem and found my apparent email to be bogus - I am sorry. I will try to fix the email problem I had and then repost anew. Hopefully, if one replaces no_spam with goldtech this should now work. I will repost my question in a day or two. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 16 8:41: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net (100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net [24.234.0.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A9A37B416 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from lymond.lvcablemodem.com (cm238.47.234.24.lvcm.com [24.234.47.238]) by 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AWJ51501; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dlm@localhost) by lymond.lvcablemodem.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g1GGWPB00938 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:32:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:32:25 -0800 From: Dale Morris To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: first install Message-ID: <20020216083130.A888@lymond.lvcablemodem.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just moved from linux to freebsd and I'm really pleased with what I see so far. Things seem to load and execute much faster in freebsd and I like what I've seen with the freebsd website and the user community. I've gotten the install pretty well configured and it wasn't that hard. Actually, it's quite a bit easier than the last slacware install I did. I'm using the 4.5 release. The most confusing area has been the terminal. My consoe display had no color/strange color but then I put term=xterm-color in my ~/.Xdefaults file and I have color. Still color doesn't display properly in mutt, I'm using the same muttrc I used in Redhat and Slackware. I have had to remove all the color entries in my muttrc to get it to display properly. Soon I will download another muttrc and configure it with my settings and see if that helps with color. It's my understanding that freebsd 4.5 only supports scsi emulation with a limited number of cdrw's, my tdk velocd not being one. I don't relish the idea of having to buy a scsi cd burner and removing my current cdrom to install it, but probably will do that if I keep using freebsd. I like the xcdroast program and would like to use it. Other than the terminal problem and the scsi-emulation/xcdburner, I think freebsd is *better..no flame wars intended* than what I've experienced with linux. dale To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 16 10:17:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA0937B405 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 10:17:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from scott1.nyc.rr.com (24-168-24-239.nyc.rr.com [24.168.24.239]) by nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with ESMTP id g1GIGRlg013653; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:16:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020216130909.047cbeb8@pop-server.nyc.rr.com> X-Sender: scottro@pop-server.nyc.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:17:28 -0500 To: Dale Morris , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Scott Subject: Re: first install In-Reply-To: <20020216083130.A888@lymond.lvcablemodem.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:32 2002/02/16 -0800, Dale Morris wrote: >I just moved from linux to freebsd and I'm really pleased with what I >see so far. Things seem to load and execute much faster in freebsd and I >like what I've seen with the freebsd website and the user community. You mention below that you used Slackware and RH---both good distributions for their purpose, but both a bit heavy--that is, including many things which you may never use (one reason you'll see that your FreeBSD will probably boot a lot more quickly.) If you strip either Slack or RH down, or use one of the more minimalist distros, like Gentoo, you'll find that they're almost as fast (I haven't done any serious benchmarking--once, in a dull moment timed startups---FreeBSD was tied with Gentoo Linux---MS Win2k took the longest. :) As for your terminal problems--by any chance are you using an ASUS MB? There have been some problems--apparently (judging from some lackadaisical searches on deja--that were marked as bugs in 4.3 but not fixed. Not sure if it's all ASUS boards or just A7A266---never did get my Voodoo5 card running on that, and even with a fairly generic G200 can only get 1024x768 wit XFree 3.x not 4.x Another thing that Fred mentioned the other day, but that is worth repeating--he first told me this on another list, and I've become a believer--the man pages are far better in FreeBSD. It just seems (to me at least, again subjective, no real benchmark testing) a more powerful O/S, though less tolerant of bad hardware than some Linux distros, as well as more flexible--just a quick, and trivial example---in RH, if you want to unzip a bzip2 file, you do tar -jxvf--in Slack, you do tar -yxvf. Neither will accept the other--that is, if you use the y option in RH, you get unknown option and the same if you use j in Slack. BSD, however, knows both and can use either. As I said, that's just a trivial example, but one does get used to its convenience. It's a lot of fun. Scott Robbins To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 16 11: 2:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from relay.Boerde.DE (relay.boerde.de [213.187.87.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8B037B402 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:02:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by relay.Boerde.DE with smtp id m16c9q0-000U1UC (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:45:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:45:32 +0100 (CET) From: Frank Reppin To: Scott Cc: Dale Morris , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: first install In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020216130909.047cbeb8@pop-server.nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, Scott wrote: > You mention below that you used Slackware and RH---both good distributions > for their purpose, but both a bit heavy--that is, including many things > which you may never use (one reason you'll see that your FreeBSD will > probably boot a lot more quickly.) If you strip either Slack or RH down, > or use one of the more minimalist distros, like Gentoo, you'll find that Hello, i don't want to put this into a new thread.... but does anybody know where i can review some 'newer' comparisons between FreeBSD-4.x and Linux. So far i only found a quite outdated webpage 'bout this topic. Thanks, Frank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 16 12:28:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ocis.net (mailserver.ocis.net [209.52.173.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9795637B405 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from host64.wireless.kamloops.net ([64.114.144.93] helo=phoenix) by mail.ocis.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16cBQs-0007RL-00; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:27:43 -0800 From: "Freddie Cash" Organization: PhoenixTek Consulting To: Frank Reppin Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:18:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: FreeBSD vs Linux [was: Re: first install] Reply-To: fcash@bigfoot.com Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3C6E4E17.11426.915B8AA@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020216130909.047cbeb8@pop-server.nyc.rr.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, Scott wrote: > > You mention below that you used Slackware and RH---both good > > distributions for their purpose, but both a bit heavy--that is, > > including many things which you may never use (one reason you'll see > > that your FreeBSD will probably boot a lot more quickly.) If you > > strip either Slack or RH down, or use one of the more minimalist > > distros, like Gentoo, you'll find that > i don't want to put this into a new thread.... but does anybody > know where i can review some 'newer' comparisons between FreeBSD-4.x > and Linux. So far i only found a quite outdated webpage 'bout this > topic. Run a few searches on the -chat, -stable, and -hackers lists. This topic has come up quite frequently on there since the release of the 2.4 Linux kernel. There are quite a few sites, comparisons, and benchmark tests listed in those threads. The only one I can remember off-hand is the one done by Byte.com comparing kernel 2.4-based distros with FreeBSD 4.2 or 4.3. One things you'll note in these threads: FreeBSD is tuned for stability out-of-the-box, whereas Linux distros are usually tuned for raw performance. Thus, out-of-the-box tests generally favour Linux. After proper tuning, though, FreeBSD (epsecially versions after 4.4) comes out on top, and is still very stable. That's one things I've always liked about the BSDs: they're more concerned with stability, correctness, and security, and manage all that without sacrificing too much performance. Me, personally, I'd rather have a box up 24/7 running moderately fast than a box up for 12 hours at a time but running super-fast. :) Cheers, Freddie PhoenixTek Consulting fcash@bigfoot.com Unix / Networking Services (250) 314-4029 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 16 13: 8:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from diligence.com (diligence.com [216.166.138.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4018737B400 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22142 invoked by uid 535); 16 Feb 2002 14:08:41 -0700 Received: from tim@diligence.com by pdc.diligence.com with qmail-scanner-0.94 (. Clean. Processed in 0.874691 secs); 02/16/2002 14:08:40 Received: from unknown (HELO tim2) (216.166.138.76) by pdc.diligence.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 14:08:37 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20020216140026.00a4b1e0@mail.diligence.com> X-Sender: tuckun@mail.diligence.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:10:41 -0800 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tim Uckun Subject: Re: first install In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020216130909.047cbeb8@pop-server.nyc.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Hello, > >i don't want to put this into a new thread.... but does anybody >know where i can review some 'newer' comparisons between FreeBSD-4.x >and Linux. >So far i only found a quite outdated webpage 'bout this topic. As a person who recently installed my first freebsd I would like this as well. It seems to me though that it's pretty much a subjective thing. I have experience with debian, redhat and now freebsd. They each have their strengths and weaknesses. I use Red Hat on my laptop because it supports the sound cards and the video cards so well, I use debian on a server or two. I am currently migrating some of the production servers to freebsd. I chose freebsd for production servers for one reason only. Debian stable is too old, debian unstable and testing are too unstable. I am thinking that freebsd is updated more frequently then debian stable and is just as stable (if not more so). I have no real performance demands on these machines and none of them are running X so those things don't concern me. So far so good. I have had problems with one port (cvsd) which installed in a non working condition. According to my research cvsd is now considered "obsolete" and people prefer ssh tunneling for cvs access. I probably still need to get pserver working for the wincvs people but I am sure there is a solution someplace. One nice thing about freebsd was the the apache server denied access to CVS directories by default (it's the little things that count the most). Like I said so far so good. I am going to try configuring a firewall this weekend on my home machine (which I also converted to freebsd) so I have my fingers crossed. In nutshell. Freebsd and Linux are sufficiently different as to render most comparisons invalid. It's an apples to oranges thing IMHO. ---------------------------------------------- Tim Uckun Mobile Intelligence Unit. ---------------------------------------------- "There are some who call me TIM?" ---------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 16 13:17:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tbnets.com (dsl092-156-002.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.156.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EDB6237B402 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5506 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 21:17:30 -0000 Received: from softdnserror (HELO winbag) (66.92.156.27) by softdnserror with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 21:17:30 -0000 From: "Wayne Ringling" To: Subject: Setting up a new 1TB server running freebsd I hope. Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:20:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3C6E4E17.11426.915B8AA@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have run linux for several years now and have created some fairly large systems that have been very stable by my standards. But I have always wanted to set up a freebsd system and make it a monster too. Well I finally am getting my chance, I got a 9 disk 3u rackmount with an Intel mb that will hold a pair of piii 1.26mhz processors, with 2GB ram. I ordered a 3ware 7850 (8 port ata 100) and plan on putting in 8 160GB maxtors (raid 5) and a 120 GB maxtor on the mb ide interface for the boot disk with a slim cd and floppy. Since this is my first freebsd install, is there anything in paticular I should look out for? Also any tips that might make this monster easier to install easier. Is there another list that would be more suited to ask this question. Wayne To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 16 13:41:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ocis.net (mailserver.ocis.net [209.52.173.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA11B37B402 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:41:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from host64.wireless.kamloops.net ([64.114.144.93] helo=phoenix) by mail.ocis.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16cCZz-0001Bg-00; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:41:12 -0800 From: "Freddie Cash" Organization: PhoenixTek Consulting To: "Wayne Ringling" Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:31:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Setting up a new 1TB server running freebsd I hope. Reply-To: fcash@bigfoot.com Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3C6E5F2A.30128.9586ABB@localhost> In-reply-to: References: <3C6E4E17.11426.915B8AA@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have run linux for several years now and have created some fairly > large > systems that have been very stable by my standards. But I have always > wanted to set up a freebsd system and make it a monster too. Well I > finally am getting my chance, I got a 9 disk 3u rackmount with an > Intel mb that will hold a pair of piii 1.26mhz processors, with 2GB > ram. I ordered a 3ware 7850 (8 port ata 100) and plan on putting in 8 > 160GB maxtors (raid 5) and a 120 GB maxtor on the mb ide interface for > the boot disk with a slim cd and floppy. Since this is my first > freebsd install, is there anything in paticular I should look out > for? Also any tips that might make this monster easier to install > easier. Is there another list that would be more suited to ask this > question. If it's a question, wouldn't it make sense to post it to freebsd- questions?? :) Seriously, that's what that list is for. :) Newbies is a place to discuss your experiences with FreeBSD, not a place to ask technical questions. Afterall, do you really want a bunch of semi-clued newbies answering your questions, or some highly-experienced gurus?? :) That would be difference between asking on Newbies and asking on Questions. We here on Newbies can help you to phrase your question in such a way that you are almost guaranteed an answer from someone on Questions, but you really shouldn't post questions here expecting correct answers. :) While there are some very clued people on here, they aren't really here to answer technical questions. :) If you run a few search through -chat, -hackers, and -questions, you'll find some threads dealing with monster installs and some issues to watch for. The main one is RAM: FreeBSD doesn't play too well with more than 4 Gigs. I've seen reports of sites with 1+ TB filesystems, though, so you should be good to go. IOW, search the archives, then post to -questions. :) Good luck, and let us know how it goes. Cheers, Freddie PhoenixTek Consulting fcash@bigfoot.com Unix / Networking Services (250) 314-4029 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 16 14:16:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web21403.mail.yahoo.com (web21403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 372ED37B404 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:16:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020216221628.23818.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.30.217.106] by web21403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:16:28 PST Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:16:28 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge Ramirez Subject: DNS Server Setup To: questions@freebsd.org Cc: newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was wondering if someone could help me out. I'm just started using freebsd (well, unix in general) and im trying to set up a dns server. The server is connected to a dsl modem/router. I'm not sure which IP address to create a zone for, the dsl modem's ip address (which is the one the internet sees) or the server's IP address. Can someone help me out? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 16 15: 8:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from postfix.ultradns.net (postfix.ultradns.net [204.74.100.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A2B37B404 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.ultradns.net [127.0.0.1]) by postfix.ultradns.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED3D22FDF; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:09:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ultra-exchange.UltraDNS.com (nat-external.ultradns.net [204.74.100.10]) by postfix.ultradns.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A136422F91; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:09:54 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: DNS Server Setup X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:08:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3DBB075EEB95944492E127F2B9A96FAF328046@ultra-exchange.UltraDNS.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DNS Server Setup Thread-Index: AcG3N6OqmpTYzYzXQsC8cCSpHBJ8SQABhvRg From: "Patrick Soltani" To: "Jorge Ramirez" Cc: X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org set up your dns on internal ip address of your LAN, eg. 192.168.1.1.=20 In the options section of /etc/namedb/named.conf file, or wherever you = have installed the conf file add: forwarders { 206.13.28.12; 206.13.31.12; }; // Ip addresses of = your isp query-source port 53; // query-source address 192.168.1.1 port 53; // one or the other, = line above it. // allow-query { any; }; listen-on { 192.168.1.1; // internal DNS server address 127.0.0.1; // loopback address=20 }; Now your inernal machines can pickup 192.168.1.1 as their name server, = and your internal name server should be able to ask your isp if it = doesn't know the name request. Regards, Patrick Soltani. -----Original Message----- From: Jorge Ramirez [mailto:ijand2@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 2:16 PM To: questions@freebsd.org Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: DNS Server Setup I was wondering if someone could help me out. I'm just started using freebsd (well, unix in general) and im trying to set up a dns server. The server is connected to a dsl modem/router. I'm not sure which IP address to create a zone for, the dsl modem's ip address (which is the one the internet sees) or the server's IP address. Can someone help me = out? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 16 16:19:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web21109.mail.yahoo.com (web21109.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 597A737B404 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:19:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020217001946.51062.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.15.24.197] by web21109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:19:46 PST Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:19:46 -0800 (PST) From: Vinod Namboodiri Subject: too big for me!!! To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just installed freebsd and then x using XF86Config.Everything looks but there is one problem. The GNOME screen is too big for my monitor.i have to scroll around with my mouse to reach all corners.What do i have to change?did i enter anything wrong about my monitor that caused this? Vinod __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 16 18:27:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from clmboh1-smtp4.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp4.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8397E37B405 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:27:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mach4 (cvg-29-16-248.cinci.rr.com [24.29.16.248]) by clmboh1-smtp4.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1H2Rex22856; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:27:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:26:38 -0500 Subject: Re: too big for me!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Elliott Liggett To: geekvinod@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020217001946.51062.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is because there is more than one resolution specified in your /etc/X11/XF86Config file. Press: control alt - and: control alt plus to cycle through them. You'll need to use the numeric keypad's plus and minus keys. Basically, the desktop runs at the highest res, and scrolls to meet the res you put your screen at. If you just need one res, use your favorite X11 config program (or edit the file manually) and enable only one resolution at the color depth you use. hope that helps! On Saturday, February 16, 2002, at 07:19 PM, Vinod Namboodiri wrote: > I just installed freebsd and then x using > XF86Config.Everything looks but there is one problem. > The GNOME screen is too big for my monitor.i have to > scroll around with my mouse to reach all corners.What > do i have to change?did i enter anything wrong about > my monitor that caused this? > Vinod > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 16 21:10:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from m20.unixathome.org (m20.unixathome.org [216.187.106.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270BC37B400; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dan@localhost) by m20.unixathome.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1H5A3f34875; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 00:10:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 00:10:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202170510.g1H5A3f34875@m20.unixathome.org> From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2002-01-27 - 2002-02-16 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 16-Feb : ERROR: version of config(8) does not match kernel! What happens if you let source get out of hand http://freebsddiary.org/config.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ - the place for ports To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message