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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Fri Jan 18 13:34:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from meter.hydro.washington.edu (meter.hydro.washington.edu [128.95.246.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2612937B41A for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:34:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (penglish@localhost) by meter.hydro.washington.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0ILXeR12384; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:33:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:33:40 -0800 (PST) From: Paul English To: "Brandon D. Valentine" Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Two RAID questions In-Reply-To: <20020118020026.H74858-100000@turtle.looksharp.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Paul English wrote: > >1) I'm using some Arena external IDE RAID boxes(www.raidweb.com). These > >are basically standalone embedded computers which have IDE interfaces for > >the hard drives, and a SCSI interface to connect to the host computer. So > >far they've worked well. The big problem is that fscking a 400GB > >filesystem takes a long time when the system crashes. > > Funny, literally about five minutes ago I finished writing quite a long > post about this to the Nashville Linux Users Group (don't let the name > fool you, it's about half made up of BSD users). > > http://nlug.org/mail/nlug__2002_01/0946.html > I've read your post and all of that thread. I have a fair bit of experience with the Arena drives at this point, and my assesment of them is that they are a quality product, but by no means "unshakable." I would say that if your filesystem can't go down, talk to EMC or Network Appliance. That said - my filesystem can go down. What is important to me is reasonable performance, reliability, hot swap, and on the fly rebuild. My understanding is that I could get this from the Arena drives, but the performance is not that great, or rather, the price hasn't come down as technology has evolved - so I think I could get better bang/buck with a 3ware. In addition, I understand that the 3ware also supports hot swap, and perhaps on the fly rebuild? If it does both of those things, *and* gives me a separate channel per drive for 8 drives, then I'm a happy man. The Arena does not give me a separate channel for each drive, and I feel that (and the ATA33) is part of the reason that it doesn't perform too well. > We have several terabytes of data on Arena IIs where I work and I am > currently running them on Linux/XFS. I would prefer to use > FreeBSD/FFS+softdep but am waiting for the snapshot/fsck -B code to get > comitted to -STABLE. I know this post really doesn't help you find a > solution for improving these filesystems under FreeBSD, but I don't know > of any which is why I went with Linux/XFS for the time being. Aah, that is useful information - I will wait until FFS+softdep is in stable before using that, however FreeBSD is a requirement for me, so I will just sit through my long fsck's for the time being. I will have to do more research on that though, since you threw in 'snapshot', in addition to FFS which is something that I would *definitely* love to have! Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Fri Jan 18 14: 7:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.allcaps.org (mail.allcaps.org [208.252.245.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B845137B404; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:07:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.allcaps.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 795463261E; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:07:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.allcaps.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C0D2E821; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:07:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:07:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Andrew P. Lentvorski" To: Cc: "Brandon D. Valentine" , , Subject: Re: Two RAID questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020118140049.A87081-100000@mail.allcaps.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I looked at the CVS repository today and didn't note a tag on the fsck code for -STABLE. Is background fsck'ing included in -STABLE? The large fsck times for multi-GB and TB RAID servers is becoming an impediment to using FreeBSD as a server (where BSD has traditionally been strong). If it's not included, what are the issues preventing it from getting folded backward? Andy L. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Fri Jan 18 14:10:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.allcaps.org (mail.allcaps.org [208.252.245.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D322F37B41D; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.allcaps.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id B3B143261E; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.allcaps.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1912E821; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:10:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:10:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Andrew P. Lentvorski" To: Cc: Subject: Background fsck'ing Message-ID: <20020118140829.C87193-100000@mail.allcaps.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My apologies for being an idiot and hitting ^X before I meant to ... I looked at the CVS repository today and didn't note a tag on the fsck code for -STABLE. Is background fsck'ing included in -STABLE? The large fsck times for multi-GB and TB RAID servers is becoming an impediment to using FreeBSD as a server (where BSD has traditionally been strong). If it's not included, what are the issues preventing it from getting folded backward? Andy L. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Fri Jan 18 14:17:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9661937B41A; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:17:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1192) id 6878810DDF8; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:17:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:17:05 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: "Andrew P. Lentvorski" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Background fsck'ing Message-ID: <20020118141705.N13686@elvis.mu.org> References: <20020118140829.C87193-100000@mail.allcaps.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020118140829.C87193-100000@mail.allcaps.org>; from bsder@allcaps.org on Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 02:10:44PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Andrew P. Lentvorski [020118 14:10] wrote: > My apologies for being an idiot and hitting ^X before I meant to ... > > I looked at the CVS repository today and didn't note a tag on the fsck > code for -STABLE. > > Is background fsck'ing included in -STABLE? The large fsck times for > multi-GB and TB RAID servers is becoming an impediment to using FreeBSD as > a server (where BSD has traditionally been strong). > > If it's not included, what are the issues preventing it from getting > folded backward? It requires extensive backporting for snapshot support. The current background fsck is experimental and can cause problems for people, it's still somewhat in development. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Fri Jan 18 15:12:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB53D37B402; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:12:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g0INBvk05115; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:11:57 -0800 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:11:57 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: "Andrew P. Lentvorski" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, "Brandon D. Valentine" , penglish@hydro.washington.edu, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Two RAID questions Message-ID: <20020118151156.A4612@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20020118140049.A87081-100000@mail.allcaps.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020118140049.A87081-100000@mail.allcaps.org>; from bsder@allcaps.org on Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 02:07:52PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 02:07:52PM -0800, Andrew P. Lentvorski wrote: > I looked at the CVS repository today and didn't note a tag on the fsck > code for -STABLE. >=20 > Is background fsck'ing included in -STABLE? The large fsck times for > multi-GB and TB RAID servers is becoming an impediment to using FreeBSD as > a server (where BSD has traditionally been strong). >=20 > If it's not included, what are the issues preventing it from getting > folded backward? It isn't included because it's not stable yet. It's improving, but in my experience it still causes problems. I rather doubt it will be MFC'd. File system stability is about as important as it gets so significantly more shake out is critical before inflicting background fsck on users. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. 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